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themossman 06-29-2009 10:21 PM

TheMossMan's 2010 2SS/RS
 
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Well....the first 'no go fast' mods are done. I don't think there's any chrome left on the exterior of the car.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/IMG_0752.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/IMG_0754.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/IMG_0755.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/IMG_0756.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/IMG_0759.JPG


Stock with only tint...where it all began....

themossman 06-29-2009 10:22 PM

Intro Post...Background
 
First post is a recap of my first post on the forums....

A bit of my personal history to offer appreciation for your efforts.

I turned 16 in the summer of ’88…and by that point had saved $2k dollars and was given a loan by my father for 3.5k. There were rules and restrictions about my car choices based on what my brother had achieved the previous year when he had turned 16. I was determined to do better. Unfortunately my grades were not up to snuff at the end of the previous school year, but my father agreed that we could proceed with the car shopping but I would have to forego driving it until the midterms arrived. The beneficial part of this was that I was not in a hurry to find a car.

It was towards the end of summer when it showed up, parked on the corner with a ‘For Sale’ sign in the window: a solid black and, by all appearances, a stock 1969 Camaro. I took the number and called...the price: $5000. I raged for days trying to get my father to go look at the car, unable to stand his nonchalant attitude towards a car that I certainly expected to be sold immediately. Then it was gone. I immediately chastised my father…well…as much as thought I could get away with without irritating him to the point of calling off the hunt. He phoned the owner and learned that the car had simply been moved to another corner…the sign was still in the window and the car was unsold…AND my father was ready to go look at it. Oh happy day!

It was perfect. It has just finished a ‘light’ cosmetic restoration with new vinyl, paint, and carpet…a few other bits replaced here and there and it looked great…and it was clear by the lack of a scowl on my father’s face that he too was impressed. “Let me pop the hood for you,” the owner offered while handing me the keys “go start her up.” While my father was looking over the engine, I cranked the car. It was at that moment my hopes were shattered. With the hood blocking the view of my father’s face, I knew the change that had occurred…the scowl would be present and we were ‘done’ looking at this car.

When I got out of the car and walked around front, I was disappointed but also impressed. “Well, we had her bored, blueprinted, and balanced…” He continued on with the list of appropriate engine and suspension upgrades and modifications that had all been recently completed that made this seemingly stock ’69 RS anything but ‘stock’. When I had turned the key, and breathed life into that engine…the glorious noise it made revealed that this car was inappropriate for any sixteen year old boy. My father knew it, the owner knew it, and even I knew it.

I have never gotten over that car.

Over the years I’ve certainly been in a position to find a similar car…but I’ve never pulled the trigger. One ‘to-do’ on my list is to rebuild a ’69, but I’m waiting until my sons are old enough to enjoy the journey with me if they so choose. The first time I caught a glimpse of the gen 5 Camaro…old emotions stirred anew, and I realized that some things were going to happen sooner rather than later. The ’69 will get rebuilt…but there’s a stop gap measure…one that will likely be better than the original.
So…to all those that bear even the slightest responsibility for bringing this car to market: Thank You.


Below is a picture of my last car…thought it might be relevant to communicate who some of your ‘new’ customers are going to be.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/M3/IMG_0358.JPG



and here's the first pic of the new car....

themossman 06-30-2009 01:22 PM

Vengeance Racing...
 
they're posting their progress over on 5th gen....I'll share progress here as it goes along....

This mornings dyno in pure stock form was 376/376...I'm sure we'll have plenty of graphs to look at as they move along....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...g/DSC05525.jpg

and it's in 'good company'

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...g/DSC05526.jpg

http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15068


Vengeance Racing Stage II Performance Package includes:

* Vengeance Spec Custom Camshaft
* Dual Valvespring kit complete with all assoicated hardware
* Hardened Pushrods
* American Racing Header System
* Under Drive Pulley with new belts/bolt
* 180* thermostat
* Vararam Induction
* C5R Timing Chain
* Catch Can
* Breather
* Ported Throttlebody
* Flow match/balance/test fuel injectors
* All Fluids
* Installation
* Tuning

(Call/PM Ron@Vengeance for pricing)

Quoted from Vengeance:

"In the spirit of research and development we will be performing each modification individually. Tomorrow morning we will baseline the 2010 Camaro in stock form. Then we will complete WOT tuning. Next comes the ARH longtube headers. Back to the dyno for more testing/tuning. Then the Vengeance spec camshaft kit/pulley will be added. Back to the dyno for more tuning. By then we should have our prototype Vararam induction in stock for testing. All results will be posted for you to evaluate.

While this sort of testing takes many hours longer than a standard installation we like to be able to show our customers exactly what each part of the puzzle adds overall. This will also be very informative to you guys who only need or want certain modifications for your own Camaro.

Stay tuned over the coming days. I will be updating this thread as the testing is completed."



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themossman 07-01-2009 01:14 PM

Stock and Tuned Dynos
 
First Dyno results are in:

Baseline:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ng/scan-17.jpg

Tune Only:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...can0001-10.jpg

ARH Headers are being installed next and back to the dyno for testing/tuning.

Ron@Vengeance 07-01-2009 08:26 PM

Thanx for posting Alex!!!! Shes in good company with all of the other F Bodies in the shop :) :)

ljustin293 07-01-2009 08:27 PM

awesome!! any vids??

themossman 07-01-2009 08:57 PM

If Ron isn't able to get any up during the build...we'll get some post build and I'll get them loaded up...

themossman 07-07-2009 06:24 PM

American Racing headers are installed...dyno below...

added 28.69RWHP 23.58RWTQ

next up is the cam...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...scan0003-7.jpg

Ron@Vengeance 07-11-2009 08:09 AM

Posting an idle clip shortly Alex!!!! She sounds NASTY :)

Ron@Vengeance 07-11-2009 11:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdAvgQpSgY8

themossman 07-15-2009 04:26 PM

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Couple of quick pics that were 'post Zaino' and 'Pre-Vengeance'

themossman 07-15-2009 04:35 PM

Now for the good stuff...
 
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The masters at Vengeance are *almost* done with Round 1...come on Vararam(we're waiting for you!)!!!

So..this is with the STOCK airbox...

Here's the before/after results....dyno at bottom....


and a couple of vids provided by Ron...


Here is an idle clip.



Here is an in car idle clip sitting in traffic with the windows down...



Here is a short drivability video thru town



Lastly here is a short roll thru the gears for you to enjoy the exhaust note..

Mindz 07-16-2009 06:23 PM

sounds like a beast. Congrats on an almost complete stage of your build. =)

tjbusa 07-16-2009 10:21 PM

Sweet ride you have there, part throttle, smooth as butter

Ron@Vengeance 07-17-2009 08:03 AM

I think you are going to be more than happy Alex!!!!

kellertxgen5 07-22-2009 01:06 AM

No dyno with the cam?

BlueMarlin 07-22-2009 03:09 AM

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Wow, thats pretty cool. This is the second time I've put this up here tonight:

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themossman 07-22-2009 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 (Post 708027)
No dyno with the cam?

The after cam dyno is in post 12.

grngryoutmyway 07-29-2009 08:53 PM

Hey, thanks for stopping by NAPA today. Your car was a nice break for us at work for a bit. Looked, and sounded killer man:confused0068:. If we can help you out with anything just let us know.

Thank goodness for On Star :thumbup:

themossman 07-29-2009 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grngryoutmyway (Post 737175)
Hey, thanks for stopping by NAPA today. Your car was a nice break for us at work for a bit. Looked, and sounded killer man:confused0068:. If we can help you out with anything just let us know.

Thank goodness for On Star :thumbup:

Yeah..that was pretty funny!

For those that haven't tried it...I did an impromptu demo of how OnStar can unluck your car when you've locked the key in the car WHILE THE ENGINES RUNNING! Nice...

It was a pleasure meeting you guys.

themossman 07-29-2009 10:36 PM

Radar Detector Hardwire Install-Escort 8500
 
The following install outlines how I hardwired my passport into a power source located in the headliner that is only on when the ignition is on....I did this in my M3 and my wifes 530...and had to do it in my Camaro...I just wish one of you guys had done it first so I had a guide!!!!

***Note...this DOES NOT include a remote control module for the mute...I don't need it as the escort has auto mute.

The picture quality sucks because it was my blackberry, but beggars can't be chosers!

First step is to gain access to the interior of the headliner. Patience is key here as these parts were made to be installed easy...not taken apart easy. All of this can be done without gorilla force...keep that in mind....

First...the tools you'll need:
1. Wire stripers
2. Small flat head screwdriver...I call them 'tweakers'
3. Pliers
4. Regular Phillips head screwdriver

And some 'parts' you'll need (all can be found at Radio Shack):

1. Black phone cord (I used one left over from sat tv install, the cable is round as opposed to flat and that worked out for me)
2. Wire taps (see picture)

Phone cord (notice only TWO wires..red and green...that's all you need)
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00101.jpg

Wire taps (these worked EXTREMELY well):
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00104.jpg

Ready...here we go!

First step is to remove the lens from the overhead lights. I started on the right side with a little tweak...then on the left...the towards the middle/front...then back....

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00107.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00108.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00105.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00106.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00109.jpg

Next is the little silver reflector...same process...DON'T MUSCLE IT...be patient...
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00110.jpg

This next part is the hardest part...the mother of all evils. The white part has to come out and there's two pressure clips holding it in and the clips are towards the front of the car. It would work best if you had two tweakers and a partner lend an extra hand...each of you pushing in one clip. The clips are toward the front of the car and you can depress them by sliding your tweaker in the hole. Look at these pictures...study the part...then reread what I just wrote. This can be a pain to remove...be patient and don't tear up your headliner.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00112.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00113.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00114.jpg

The next part requires your phillips head...remove the two screws you see here...

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00115.jpg


With the screws out, the entire bezel is ready to come out. This piece is held in place with four clips. This does require some targeted pressure to remove...don't tug on the edges...reach inside the 'hole' you made by removing the light and feel where the clips are and you'll be fine. Pull all four clips out and the piece comes out with wires attached. The pics below will show you what the clips look like and where they are.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00116.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00117.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00118.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00120.jpg

Unplug the harness from homelink(if you have it), unplug the onstar mic, and unplug the airbag light.

The only wire that carried constant voltage when the ignition was on, and dropped voltage when the ignition was off was one of the wires for the airbag/seatbelt indicators...so this is the wire I tapped into. I removed some of the wire fabric tape so that I could tap into the pink wire for the power and the black wire for ground.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00121.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00123.jpg

A picture of the tap...
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00125.jpg

Tapping in..
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00126.jpg

All tapped in...
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00128.jpg

Prepping the phone cord...cut off one end and strip the two wires. Attach the connectors for the taps.
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00130.jpg

Now PLUG EM IN!
Remember RED GOES TO PINK and GREEN GOES TO BLACK.
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00131.jpg

Push the plug through the front of the headliner...and funny enough there's a spot that looks like it was made for the cord...fits perfectly. No force here...just gently work it through.
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00132.jpg

TEST YOUR RADAR DETECTOR BEFORE YOU BUTTON EVERYTHING BACK UP
Now...reverse all the take apart procedures. You'll find it goes together a heck of allot easier than it comes apart.

The following photos aren't great...but they show the finished product.

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00134.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00137.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00139.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00140.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00141.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00142.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00144.jpg

Gratuitous engine shot...

http://home.comcast.net/~awmoss/Radar/IMG00096.jpg

Gen5SS 08-30-2009 03:23 AM

Just wanted to thank you for the detailed description, every thing went as you posted except I had to direct wire mine because I think the tap-ins I bought were too big. Great post and thank you for making it easy.

themossman 08-30-2009 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gen5SS (Post 861967)
Just wanted to thank you for the detailed description, every thing went as you posted except I had to direct wire mine because I think the tap-ins I bought were too big. Great post and thank you for making it easy.

Great to hear! I should have mentioned that the tap ins need to handle small gauge wire as those phone cord wires are super tiny.

SILVER BULLITT 09-03-2009 02:21 AM

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CUT IS ON YOUR CAM AND LSO WHAT HP DID YOU GAIN FROM IT ? ALSO HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING TO THE HEADS ? THANKS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA ! MINE IS GOING UNDER THE KNIFE NEXT WEEK THANKS AGAIN:thumbup:

themossman 09-03-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLITT (Post 879089)
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CUT IS ON YOUR CAM AND LSO WHAT HP DID YOU GAIN FROM IT ? ALSO HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING TO THE HEADS ? THANKS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA ! MINE IS GOING UNDER THE KNIFE NEXT WEEK THANKS AGAIN:thumbup:

Cam info: https://www.vengeancerd.com/ecart/pr....624-115%252b3

I'll have to check with Ron...but I don't think we have a dyno with just the cam. We had a dyno before the cam, and one after cam install with ported intake and tb, ud pulleys, matched injectors, and thermostat.


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