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Dropspeed 07-01-2013 09:37 AM

2nd Track Day in my 1LE: Gingerman
 
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This is the 2nd of 3 tracks I consider "Home" / have many miles on that I want to run the car completely stock at before I make any changes or upgrades

I went to Gingerman to instruct yesterday and ran the 1LE on stock tires, pads, suspension...so on again. (has Motul 600 fluid) As a point of reference, Gingerman is my "home" track as we have family property 4 miles from the track so I have a few miles on it: (about 35 to 40,000 :drool: )

My student again was Becky D from Rodgers in her white ZL1, which surprisingly did not melt during its first outing in the rain! There was one other ZL1 there (the red one) edit: that is a member here as well (Crangie). Thank you to him for providing the video of him chasing me around a few post below. Becky did very well, but I will let her share her lap times and experience if she wishes.

Thoughts/notes:
  • Weather: 80 and sunny.....did not run in or after it rained.
  • TC/Stability: All nannies completely off (held button for 7+ seconds)
  • Brakes: Gingerman is very hard on brakes: stock brakes did very well/better than expected. No fade or soft pedal. (I only ran 2 (very hard) sessions) First step will be a compound change and air ducts
  • Seat/belt: I spent more time trying to stay in my seat than anything else...Harness and or seat upgrade will be coming as they are a must.
  • Gearing/tires: This is something I noticed at Grattan as well. There are some corners that 3rd didn't have a enough grunt (for me) and second was too aggressive and would result in wheel spin. In second the inside rear tire would break loose and spin on corner exit. In 3rd the tires set-up is perfect and worked fine.....If I want to drive more aggressively (drop into 2nd) I believe the 305 rear tire may help this. (a better limited slip would be the fix....but tires are cheaper to try).....I will also add power mods which will make this (perceived) lack of power in 3rd disappear, but may induce wheel spin in that gear?
The group I run with has a fairly unique run group system. Group 1: race rules, open passing, wheel to wheel OK, no rubbing. (serious race cars/fast street cars) Group 2: Wheel to Wheel OK, Point to pass in corners...then group 3 and 4 that are more conventional, limited passing, straights only, driver side only, instructor....

I ran in Group 2 as I am still getting a feel for the car. Some mentionables from my group were a stock Boss 302, Corvette GS: Race seats, Race tires, Corvette Z06: race tires, cam, headers, Stock ZL1, Mustang Bullet, Mustang Race car: gutted , cage, suspension, race tires,Spec Miata, RX8

Driver experience is unknown in all, but without exaggeration I had no issues with catching and passing or walking away from all of the above (and others) Reality caught me when a BMW 3 series race car slowly caught me.....but his rear wing was higher than the roof line and wider than the car so I figured that was OK :)

Note about the BOSS 302 (because I was going to by one before the 1LE package came out) I passed him in my first session and tried to talk with him....he really was not interested in talking with me :noidea: . In the second session I followed him out and then let him have a lap to warm up his tires. After he turned up the wick I noticed (just as magazines had stated) the rear of the car was not planted and he was fighting as it was dancing around.....After about a 1/2 lap of me knocking on his backdoor he let be by and by the end of the session he was at least 1/2 track (1 mile) behind)

Lap Times:

Fastest Lap: 1:47.34 (long course) Full tank of gas and with a passenger (Becky D) I backed it with other 47s and some 48s. I was slower in the second session with less fuel, no passenger and trying the 2nd gear downshift. I had more fun spinning and drifting in the second session but lap times suffered.
  • Compared to Automobile Magazine with a race car driver in a GT500 and a ZL1 on the same course I am within 3 seconds of a ZL1 and about 2 of a GT500...I am OK with that for only two session in it.
Me:Stock 1LE: 1:47.34
2012 ZL1: 1:44.53
2013 GT500: 1.45.21

Pictures from tower during the downpour late afternoon and from Automobile magazine listing lap times and track layout.

Matt

1leNPP 07-01-2013 10:33 AM

Thank you for the Info. on your track day glad it when well for you .

BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet 07-01-2013 10:47 AM

Thanks again Matt for a great day at the track. I still can't believe
the patience you have to ride around with an old lady ;)

Riding with you was awesome. You didn't just pass the Mustangs
you chewed them up and spit them out!! They were no match. I
still giggle at your comments on the straight aways -"more power"
I'm sure you'll get that handled.

Thanks for posting real track experience. I'm sure there will be
several that can learn from it :nod:

Dropspeed 07-01-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet (Post 6738139)
Thanks again Matt for a great day at the track. I still can't believe
the patience you have to ride around with an old lady ;)

Riding with you was awesome. You didn't just pass the Mustangs
you chewed them up and spit them out!! They were no match. I
still giggle at your comments on the straight aways -"more power"
I'm sure you'll get that handled.

Thanks for posting real track experience. I'm sure there will be
several that can learn from it :nod:

My pleasure again!

tramtwo 07-01-2013 11:22 AM

Some people have ALL the fun!!

Nick S 07-01-2013 01:01 PM

Sounds like you and Becky both had a great time Matt. I'm going to be looking at possibly trying to make it over for the C5 Gingerman event. Will you be attending that one?

Dropspeed 07-01-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick S (Post 6738595)
Sounds like you and Becky both had a great time Matt. I'm going to be looking at possibly trying to make it over for the C5 Gingerman event. Will you be attending that one?


My plan was to attend. But both family and work items have come up so I wont be able to make it. I decided to go on short notice to this event as I wanted to give Becky some pointers so she can lap some Camaros at the C5 event ;)

AGM 1LE 07-01-2013 02:24 PM

Sounds like an awesome day doing just what this car was made for. Nice to see Mustangs getting beat up on at the track :) Hopefully the Reccaros will help with the sliding around in the seat problem for the 14s.

cornerspeed92 07-01-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 6737902)
This is the 2nd of 3 tracks I consider "Home" / have many miles on that I want to run the car completely stock at before I make any changes or upgrades

I went to Gingerman to instruct yesterday and ran the 1LE on stock tires, pads, suspension...so on again. (has Motul 600 fluid) As a point of reference, Gingerman is my "home" track as we have family property 4 miles from the track so I have a few miles on it: (about 35 to 40,000 :drool: )

My student again was Becky D from Rodgers in her white ZL1, which surprisingly did not melt during its first outing in the rain! There was one other ZL1 there (the red one), but I am not sure if he is on the forums. Becky did very well, but I will let her share her lap times and experience if she wishes.

Thoughts/notes:
  • Weather: 80 and sunny.....did not run in or after it rained.
  • TC/Stability: All nannies completely off (held button for 7+ seconds)
  • Brakes: Gingerman is very hard on brakes: stock brakes did very well/better than expected. No fade or soft pedal. (I only ran 2 (very hard) sessions) First step will be a compound change and air ducts
  • Seat/belt: I spent more time trying to stay in my seat than anything else...Harness and or seat upgrade will be coming as they are a must.
  • Gearing/tires: This is something I noticed at Grattan as well. There are some corners that 3rd didn't have a enough grunt (for me) and second was too aggressive and would result in wheel spin. In second the inside rear tire would break loose and spin on corner exit. In 3rd the tires set-up is perfect and worked fine.....If I want to drive more aggressively (drop into 2nd) I believe the 305 rear tire may help this. (a better limited slip would be the fix....but tires are cheaper to try).....I will also add power mods which will make this (perceived) lack of power in 3rd disappear, but may induce wheel spin in that gear?
The group I run with has a fairly unique run group system. Group 1: race rules, open passing, wheel to wheel OK, no rubbing. (serious race cars/fast street cars) Group 2: Wheel to Wheel OK, Point to pass in corners...then group 3 and 4 that are more conventional, limited passing, straights only, driver side only, instructor....

I ran in Group 2 as I am still getting a feel for the car. Some mentionables from my group were a stock Boss 302, Corvette GS: Race seats, Race tires, Corvette Z06: race tires, cam, headers, Stock ZL1, Mustang Bullet, Mustang Race car: gutted , cage, suspension, race tires,Spec Miata, RX8

Driver experience is unknown in all, but without exaggeration I had no issues with catching and passing or walking away from all of the above (and others) Reality caught me when a BMW 3 series race car slowly caught me.....but his rear wing was higher than the roof line and wider than the car so I figured that was OK :)

Note about the BOSS 302 (because I was going to by one before the 1LE package came out) I passed him in my first session and tried to talk with him....he really was not interested in talking with me :noidea: . In the second session I followed him out and then let him have a lap to warm up his tires. After he turned up the wick I noticed (just as magazines had stated) the rear of the car was not planted and he was fighting as it was dancing around.....After about a 1/2 lap of me knocking on his backdoor he let be by and by the end of the session he was at least 1/2 track (1 mile) behind)

Lap Times:

Fastest Lap: 1:47.34 (long course) Full tank of gas and with a passenger (Becky D) I backed it with other 47s and some 48s. I was slower in the second session with less fuel, no passenger and trying the 2nd gear downshift. I had more fun spinning and drifting in the second session but lap times suffered.
  • Compared to Automobile Magazine with a race car driver in a GT500 and a ZL1 on the same course I am within 3 seconds of a ZL1 and about 2 of a GT500...I am OK with that for only two session in it.
Me:Stock 1LE: 1:47.34
2012 ZL1: 1:44.53
2013 GT500: 1.45.21

Pictures from tower during the downpour late afternoon and from Automobile magazine listing lap times and track layout.

Matt

I have your answer as for keeping your ass in your seat.This is totally a bolt in system.I have referred a couple C5'rs there.This is from when i had it in my 2011 1LT RS,i took it out and put it in my 1LE,i dont have any pics of that.I get nothing for this other then helping out another C5'r if you interested let me know and i will let you know who you need to contact.

tramtwo 07-01-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cornerspeed92 (Post 6739488)
I have your answer as for keeping your ass in your seat.This is totally a bolt in system.I have referred a couple C5'rs there.This is from when i had it in my 2011 1LT RS,i took it out and put it in my 1LE,i dont have any pics of that.I get nothing for this other then helping out another C5'r if you interested let me know and i will let you know who you need to contact.

Boy talk about dancing on egg sheels... :sm0:

1LEMayhem 07-01-2013 05:12 PM

LOL at the Boss driver not wanting to talk.

Thanks for sharing!

cornerspeed92 07-01-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tramtwo (Post 6739505)
Boy talk about dancing on egg sheels... :sm0:

Hey Dale,that was funny, thanks for making me laugh :)

crangie 07-02-2013 05:55 AM

Matt,

the red one is member of this forum.

Here video proof of your whipping. The BMW was really fast, he came out of nowhere. I will post more later in the ZL1 forum


mindless 07-02-2013 07:02 AM

Thanks for sharing!

Dropspeed 07-02-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crangie (Post 6741511)
Matt,

the red one is member of this forum.

Here video proof of your whipping. The BMW was really fast, he came out of nowhere. I will post more later in the ZL1 forum

Hi Angelo!

I didn't know if you were on here or not....Thanks for posting the video...I thought I had my Go-Pro on but I didn't. And I am glad your video matched my description above so I don't look like a liar! :)

For everyone else, I am of course the Grey Camaro 1LE that is lined up in front of Crangie in his red ZL1....he wanted to follow me around a bit to see the lines.....but I had my eyes set on the Boss 302 right out of the gate. Near the end of the video I backed off a hair so we could do a little lead follow and within a lap they waved the checker.

Finally, Nice driving! Next time we are out together I want to give you a couple pointers there...(not enough to pass me, just enough to keep up! :) ) J/K, with a little fine tuning you will be whipping me in that beast.

Thanks,
Matt

Mgizzle 07-04-2013 11:52 AM

Matt, how did ur front and rear tires look? My rear left was worn pretty good on the outside but front left was worst. I need rear camber bad, not sure how to fix this without lowering springs. Front I will try to go to -1.6 or so. Maybe I will run 30psi cold too on both axles.

Finally, any luck with the curbs there? Turn one curb would save a lot of time but my car could not take it. As soon as rear tire goes over it the car fishtails.

summit1le 07-04-2013 01:44 PM

Cornerspeed. Is that a 4 Point Belt. I was looking at doing a similar set up for the track. With Harness and Tank Bar

cornerspeed92 07-04-2013 01:52 PM

No its 6pt.

olblue75 07-05-2013 12:23 AM

Man the was bad azz would love to come with my 2010SS after mods and run a day with you all an get some pointers. Whats a day cost by the way????

CrystalRedTintcoat 07-05-2013 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cornerspeed92 (Post 6739488)
I have your answer as for keeping your ass in your seat.This is totally a bolt in system.I have referred a couple C5'rs there.This is from when i had it in my 2011 1LT RS,i took it out and put it in my 1LE,i dont have any pics of that.I get nothing for this other then helping out another C5'r if you interested let me know and i will let you know who you need to contact.

I ordered the Rally 3 ASM (anti submarine). They said for the Camaro this is the model to get if you still want to use your backseat; I have kids.

So, once this is in, can I still use the factory three point harness too?

CrystalRedTintcoat 07-05-2013 04:32 AM

That BMW looked to be very modified. Nice writeup. I agree with your comments about third gear needing a little more oomph.

tramtwo 07-05-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CrystalRedTintcoat (Post 6752856)
That BMW looked to be very modified. Nice writeup. I agree with your comments about third gear needing a little more oomph.


that's what the long tubes are for! :first:

cornerspeed92 07-05-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrystalRedTintcoat (Post 6752855)
I ordered the Rally 3 ASM (anti submarine). They said for the Camaro this is the model to get if you still want to use your backseat; I have kids.

So, once this is in, can I still use the factory three point harness too?

Hey Brian,i have never heard of that one,send me a pic.In the mean time i took some new shots to try and show you the connection points,and yes i still use my 3pt every time i drive my car.This setup i have can be taken out in under 30 min.as you have heard me say this is totally bolt in.
Ok so pic #1 is just where the tank plate,and harness bar bolt to the factory belt anchor.
pic #2 and#3 are where it bolts to the factory anchor at top and the bottom. I also have the tank plate installed here as well, you can just barely see it.
pic #4 and #5 are just the same thing,only the drivers side.
pic #6 is a good pic of the tank plate,and how it bolts right under the seat rails,you can also see how the tank plate,harness bar,and the original 3pt belt bolts right in,and as you can see there is no interference what so ever.
pic #7 is just a good close up of the connection point.

CrystalRedTintcoat 07-05-2013 08:48 PM

2nd Track Day in my 1LE: Gingerman
 
Mark:

It's a Schroth harness. Should I get the pads too?

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/s...allye/rallye-3

Thanks for your write up. Going to read it now.

Brian

PS - I think we went off topic. Maybe we ought to move this to a new thread. :-O

cornerspeed92 07-06-2013 01:44 PM

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Mark:

It's a Schroth harness. Should I get the pads too?

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/s...allye/rallye-3

Thanks for your write up. Going to read it now.

Brian

PS - I think we went off topic. Maybe we ought to move this to a new thread. :-O

I think we are talking about two different things.The belts are one thing,and the harness bar is another.In my set up the Schroth belts hook to the harness bar,and tank plate,what are you hooking your belts to? And as far as the pads go, that's something i thought about because of the 2 pics im including.The 1st pic is the night of my 130 mph get off,the 2nd is 6 months later after it wouldn't heal, they had to do surgery.When im a passenger in a car i wont wear the shoulder part of the belt,so i was obviously concerned about my 6pt,and thought about getting the pads,they were pricy(well from what i remember i think they were like $75.00).No you dont need to waste any money on them, i have absolutely no issues,and my belts are over this :)
Let me know if you have any questions.Mark


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