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ZNOLMT 07-06-2009 12:10 PM

STS Remote Mount Turbo Kit for V6
 
Has anyone considered doing an STS Remote mount turbo or twin turbo kit? They seem really cool, and probably an easier mod than a regular turbo mount. The difference (if you are not familiar with remote mount turbos) is that they don't go under the hood. Instead they replace the muffler, or attach somewhere on the exhaust pipe, then send boost all the way back to the engine. Seems a bit strange, but apparently it works great!

I think I might save up and help Nikki get one of these twin turbo kits for her 2LT.

They already have bolt on kits for several cars (mustangs, challengers, 350z), and I am sure they'll have one for our Camaros soon. This could even be a good possibility for the v8 guys, since they've already done kits for the corvettes and gto.

Here is the link: http://www.ststurbo.com/home

Also! They sound pretty awesome!

Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG2j-...eature=related

Xanthos 07-06-2009 12:18 PM

Yeah, there has been much discussion (and much controversy) on the STS kits. I think its a wonderful idea, but a lot of people don't like the idea of having their turbocharger down under the car, exposed to the elements and to potential thieves.
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patriotpa 07-06-2009 12:18 PM

It would help keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

blackedout010 07-06-2009 12:20 PM

rear mounts are junk stay away

Xanthos 07-06-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotpa (Post 652571)
It would help keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

This, and the extra intake length provides the same cooling effect on the air charge as an intercooler.

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Originally Posted by blackedout010 (Post 652574)
rear mounts are junk stay away

Care to cite any evidence for this? I'm not really taking a stand one way or the other, but I don't see how the mounting location automatically makes it "junk" and have even seen evidence that points to the contrary.
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patriotpa 07-06-2009 12:27 PM

Cooler air=Denser Air. Denser Air=MORE POWER!

ZNOLMT 07-06-2009 12:28 PM

The theft thing could be an issue, but I have also heard that exposing them to the elements could be a big issue, such as if you're driving in the rain or snow with a heated up turbo, but maybe some kind of splash plate or something could be fabbed up to protect it.

From what I've seen they seem great! Is there any other concerns besides the ones talked about so far?

blackedout010 07-06-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XanthosV6 (Post 652584)
This, and the extra intake length provides the same cooling effect on the air charge as an intercooler.



Care to cite any evidence for this? I'm not really taking a stand one way or the other, but I don't see how the mounting location automatically makes it "junk" and have even seen evidence that points to the contrary.
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ive had several buddy's (3 camaro and 1 c5) whom all had sts kits. ranging from stock motors to strokers. all had continous problems. all changed and went differnt routes within a year of builds. i wouldnt touch em but thats my opinion. to each their own

blackedout010 07-06-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ZNOLMT (Post 652596)
The theft thing could be an issue, but I have also heard that exposing them to the elements could be a big issue, such as if you're driving in the rain or snow with a heated up turbo, but maybe some kind of splash plate or something could be fabbed up to protect it.

From what I've seen they seem great! Is there any other concerns besides the ones talked about so far?

problems with that and serious turbo lag. on the c5 they completely wraped exhuast which helped out a bit but not much.

speedster 07-06-2009 12:48 PM

STS Turbos -

It seems people either love them or hate them, no "grey" area here.

My neighbor down the road had an 04 GTO with an STS kit. Made 487 RWHP. Ran it for years, never a problem.

But then it sounds like blackedout010's buddies had it and it didn't work out for them, so that's not a good thing.

There are pros and cons with anything. Pick what you like and go with it. :)

Xanthos 07-06-2009 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackedout010 (Post 652629)
ive had several buddy's (3 camaro and 1 c5) whom all had sts kits. ranging from stock motors to strokers. all had continous problems. all changed and went differnt routes within a year of builds. i wouldnt touch em but thats my opinion. to each their own

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion - just wanted to make sure you weren't just spouting off what you've heard others say just because you heard them say it.

Personally, I think its a good idea in theory. I don't like the muffler replacement part of it though - if I did one, I would use a single turbo and put it where the H-pipe is. Run a Y-pipe into the turbo, and a Y-pipe off of the turbo. It would serve as an X-pipe, but also give the turbo itself a bit better spool from the scavenging of the Y-pipe, and from it not being QUITE so far back.

And I would put a metal shield under it to keep it from getting hit by rocks, water, etc.
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P.S. - Of course, this is all academic because if I ever did go forced induction, it would be through an eaton or similar blower.

blackedout010 07-06-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by speedster (Post 652674)
STS Turbos -

It seems people either love them or hate them, no "grey" area here.

My neighbor down the road had an 04 GTO with an STS kit. Made 487 RWHP. Ran it for years, never a problem.

But then it sounds like blackedout010's buddies had it and it didn't work out for them, so that's not a good thing.

There are pros and cons with anything. Pick what you like and go with it. :)

agreed!! with that said all of the setups i mentioned were done several years ago. perhaps they have improved the setup now. i just know id stick with proven setups if it were me. theres nothing as bad as a new car sittin 24/7 due to performance mods:(

Xanthos 07-06-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedster (Post 652674)
STS Turbos -

It seems people either love them or hate them, no "grey" area here.

My neighbor down the road had an 04 GTO with an STS kit. Made 487 RWHP. Ran it for years, never a problem.

But then it sounds like blackedout010's buddies had it and it didn't work out for them, so that's not a good thing.

There are pros and cons with anything. Pick what you like and go with it. :)

:word:

As with anything, your mileage may vary.
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blackedout010 07-06-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XanthosV6 (Post 652681)
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion - just wanted to make sure you weren't just spouting off what you've heard others say just because you heard them say it.

Personally, I think its a good idea in theory. I don't like the muffler replacement part of it though - if I did one, I would use a single turbo and put it where the H-pipe is. Run a Y-pipe into the turbo, and a Y-pipe off of the turbo. It would serve as an X-pipe, but also give the turbo itself a bit better spool from the scavenging of the Y-pipe, and from it not being QUITE so far back.

And I would put a metal shield under it to keep it from getting hit by rocks, water, etc.
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P.S. - Of course, this is all academic because if I ever did go forced induction, it would be through an eaton or similar blower.

correct in theory it does. but you gotta expect clearence issues as well.

Xanthos 07-06-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackedout010 (Post 652688)
correct in theory it does. but you gotta expect clearence issues as well.

Yep. Would take a bit of fabbing, but personally if I was going to spend 6000+ for a turbo, I'd do the work to make sure it was done right.
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nal 07-06-2009 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanthosV6 (Post 652681)
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion - just wanted to make sure you weren't just spouting off what you've heard others say just because you heard them say it.

Personally, I think its a good idea in theory. I don't like the muffler replacement part of it though - if I did one, I would use a single turbo and put it where the H-pipe is. Run a Y-pipe into the turbo, and a Y-pipe off of the turbo. It would serve as an X-pipe, but also give the turbo itself a bit better spool from the scavenging of the Y-pipe, and from it not being QUITE so far back.

And I would put a metal shield under it to keep it from getting hit by rocks, water, etc.
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P.S. - Of course, this is all academic because if I ever did go forced induction, it would be through an eaton or similar blower.

i was thinking about STS for my 1lt and your idea sounds like a really good idea.

derin11 07-06-2009 05:41 PM

I think its a great idea, ill probly do the twin setup when it comes out, I guess it means no warranty void?

derin11 07-06-2009 07:07 PM

Just talked to STS, we signed a faxed contract and they are gonna do a turbo system for free for me in 2 weeks time, ill be posting videos then

blackedout010 07-06-2009 07:13 PM

let us know how it works out for sure!!!

derin11 07-06-2009 07:41 PM

couple problems im seeing, but yet again, im no car expert in the least.

1. Does this system have anything to do with the CAI?
2. Does it replace the pipes all the back to the headers?

THE EVIL TW1N 07-06-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotpa (Post 652592)
Cooler air=Denser Air. Denser Air=MORE POWER!

cooler air most certainly does NOT mean denser air all the time. Cooler air USUALLY means denser air.

Mr. Wyndham 07-06-2009 09:01 PM

I really like the STS systems. Extremely innovative, and they put out some crazy numbers.

Let us know how it goes if you do it! :D

MadMaxx 07-07-2009 09:15 AM

Just build one yourselves... it's not all that complicated. There are benefits to using rear mount systems - mainly the ability to go back to stock rather quickly and keeping the engine bay clear. You do have to solve logistical issues of the oil return (140$ shurflow pumps work great) and the minor fab work to get everything mounted. On a 6psi kit, you wouldn't even need a front mount, although you could if you wanted to.

I don't like STS because they rebadge cheaper gear as being "special" with a hugely inflated price tag. Seriously -- spend 2K and build yourself a far superior setup than having them build one.

Grape Ape 07-07-2009 10:42 AM

I still say that if it was half as awesome as STS says then at least one manufacturer would use rear mounted turbos. But as far as I know, they all tuck them in really close to the exhaust.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanthosV6 (Post 652692)
Yep. Would take a bit of fabbing, but personally if I was going to spend 6000+ for a turbo, I'd do the work to make sure it was done right.
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That does sound like a good location. It would probably get less splash than under hood or rear mounts and you could probably still run a CAI up to the grill for clean, dry air. But, I think you might have to fabricate a new lump in the floor to get enough clearance.

If I was installing a rear mounted turbo I would want to fab up a finned stainless (or aluminum) pipe to bring the compressed air back to the intake and do some charge cooling without adding any extra lag like a separate intercooler would. But the last time I looked at STS's website they seemed to be using a plastic pipe... :iono:

Xanthos 07-07-2009 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grape Ape (Post 655348)
I still say that if it was half as awesome as STS says then at least one manufacturer would use rear mounted turbos. But as far as I know, they all tuck them in really close to the exhaust.



That does sound like a good location. It would probably get less splash than under hood or rear mounts and you could probably still run a CAI up to the grill for clean, dry air. But, I think you might have to fabricate a new lump in the floor to get enough clearance.

If I was installing a rear mounted turbo I would want to fab up a finned stainless (or aluminum) pipe to bring the compressed air back to the intake and do some charge cooling without adding any extra lag like a separate intercooler would. But the last time I looked at STS's website they seemed to be using a plastic pipe... :iono:

Yeah, that was the plan. I think it should be possible - if this car is anything like my 86 was, there will be plenty of gap between the center console and the floor.
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