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intensifi 08-02-2013 01:48 PM

1LE Suspension track pack upgrade versus...
 
It appears GM Performance has finally released pricing for the 1LE track pack upgrade. It's basically $1500 MSRP. One dealer I spoke to will sell it for about $100 less.

I'd appreciate our resident suspension experts telling me if this is a good deal or if the aftermarket (Pfadt, Pedders, etc.) is a better deal at this price point.

Here is the GM Bill of Materials:

PART # Description Qty
22812942 Front Stab Bar Asm (bar, links, bushing, clamp, nut) 1
22786260 Rear Stab Bar Asm (bar, bushing, clamp, bolt) 1
22761221 Rear Stab Bar Link 2
22812982 Front Strut Asm, LH (strut, spring, mount) 1
22812983 Front Strut Asm, RH (strut, spring, mount) 1
22981391 Rear Shock 2
22922445 Rear Shock Mount, LH 1
22922446 Rear Shock Mount, RH 1
22845487 Rear Toe Link 2
20941932 Rear Cradle Bushing, Front 2
20941933 Rear Cradle Bushing, Rear 2
23102312 Installation Instructions 4

Also will this lower my car?

Will I need to change my wheels to 20x10s on all 4 corners like the 1LE?

Mikamaro 08-02-2013 09:47 PM

I've paid a bit more then that including shipping and I dont have the bushings!
I wonder how much it will be at the Fest...they will promote it there at discount.

intensifi 08-02-2013 09:57 PM

At the fest they are giving coupons for a free install.

Mikamaro 08-02-2013 10:03 PM

That is worth at least 500. That's a hot deal. 1500 plus free install....

intensifi 08-02-2013 10:07 PM

It does sound good.

But my question is are the equivalent or better aftermarket parts less or the same $ ?

Mikamaro 08-02-2013 10:12 PM

No. To have all those parts with a 3rd party will double the amount at minimum.

blazzin1 08-03-2013 07:37 AM

Agreed, equivalent or better parts would equate to aftermarket Subframe Bushings, Sway Bars, End Links, and Coilovers. You would definitely pay more than $1500 for all that stuff. But then again.....it would be better stuff too, especially the coilovers!!!! A big chunk of what you're paying for in the 1LE kit are those new struts/shocks. How good are they, or how much of a difference are they going to make on an SS? I can't really say, but I am pretty certain that a pair of adjustable coilovers would be a lot better!!!

heymatt 08-03-2013 08:16 AM

Better, yes for more money.
Matched components known to work together for the same money? Nope.

VR Baron 08-03-2013 11:34 AM

Aftermarket will be better but alot less. The 1LE shocks are better then the 2012 ss, or should say firmer.How much better is needed on the sways vs aftermarket may come down to what you use them for and how hrad you push it.The sways are pretty big, but not adjustable, and sizes more for square tire/wheel setup like the 1le

Mikamaro 08-07-2013 08:48 PM

Here is a first look at the track results of the 1le track pack upgrade on a 2010 LS3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzixq7xZVR4

Treefrog 08-07-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6871399)
Here is a first look at the track results of the 1le track pack upgrade on a 2010 LS3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzix...e_gdata_player


is that telemetry in km/h? He was hitting 167 in 3rd gear..

Mikamaro 08-08-2013 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treefrog (Post 6871758)
is that telemetry in km/h? He was hitting 167 in 3rd gear..

Yes.

Orange Crush 1LE 08-08-2013 08:46 AM

That's a great deal. The best aftermarket stuff is extremely pricey. I'm looking at upgrading beyond the stock 1LE using just a few Pedders components.

Just a minor upgrade to take the 1LE package a step further is the Pedders 1LE Permagrin Package. $1,000 for just a rear sway bar and 6 bushings. So $1,500 for a full 1LE track pack is amazing bang for your buck.

Another option would be to get everything that's in the GM package, less the rear sway bar and the Permagrin-included bushings, then buy the Pedders Permagrin. The Permagrin package will take the last bit of understeer out of the car at it's limits (bigger rear sway reduces understeer). That will cost a little more, but the handling will be out of this world good if you are a serious road courser. But if not, the 1LE package alone is phenominal.

Mikamaro 08-08-2013 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Crush 1LE (Post 6872799)
That's a great deal. The best aftermarket stuff is extremely pricey. I'm looking at upgrading beyond the stock 1LE using just a few Pedders components.

Just a minor upgrade to take the 1LE package a step further is the Pedders 1LE Permagrin Package. $1,000 for just a rear sway bar and 6 bushings. So $1,500 for a full 1LE track pack is amazing bang for your buck.

Another option would be to get everything that's in the GM package, less the rear sway bar and the Permagrin-included bushings, then buy the Pedders Permagrin. The Permagrin package will take the last bit of understeer out of the car at it's limits (bigger rear sway reduces understeer). That will cost a little more, but the handling will be out of this world good if you are a serious road courser. But if not, the 1LE package alone is phenominal.

I need more track time to confirm this but: my initial feeling is that I need more rear rubbers with the 1LE, I'm dealing with snap oversteer now. might have been because of cold tires... still the back is not following the front like it did. I'm running 4 x 275/40R20 Nitto NT05.

Orange Crush 1LE 08-08-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6872886)
I need more track time to confirm this but: my initial feeling is that I need more rear rubbers with the 1LE, I'm dealing with snap oversteer now. might have been because of cold tires... still the back is not following the front like it did. I'm running 4 x 275/40R20 Nitto NT05.

Strange, my stock 1LE is very comfortable and predictable at it's limit, extremely balanced and controllable. Perhaps give Pete of Pedders a call. He may be able to troubleshoot for you. The 1LE runs 285/35-20s front and rear, but with the funky mix of 20x10 F and 20x11s R. Perhaps wheel and tire choice has something to do with it.

DuskSS 08-08-2013 11:22 AM

Going with Pedders Pacecar package and bushes and sways myself. the 1LE stuff is nice but I want better.

Mikamaro 08-08-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Crush 1LE (Post 6873340)
The 1LE runs 285/35-20s front and rear, but with the funky mix of 20x10 F and 20x11s R. Perhaps wheel and tire choice has something to do with it.

Bingo. The secret of it's track success, wider wheels & stickier tires combo.
One who upgrade's Suspension will have to upgrade Wheel/Tires aswell.

Dynamite 08-08-2013 05:01 PM

I will probably get this pack installed along with 3.91 gears in the near future.

Mikamaro 08-09-2013 07:40 AM

For those who would like to read my initial tack review comparing the 1LE VS OEM SS.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311432

Andymon 08-10-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intensifi (Post 6850170)
It appears GM Performance has finally released pricing for the 1LE track pack upgrade. It's basically $1500 MSRP. One dealer I spoke to will sell it for about $100 less.

I'd appreciate our resident suspension experts telling me if this is a good deal or if the aftermarket (Pfadt, Pedders, etc.) is a better deal at this price point.

Here is the GM Bill of Materials:

PART # Description Qty
22812942 Front Stab Bar Asm (bar, links, bushing, clamp, nut) 1
22786260 Rear Stab Bar Asm (bar, bushing, clamp, bolt) 1
22761221 Rear Stab Bar Link 2
22812982 Front Strut Asm, LH (strut, spring, mount) 1
22812983 Front Strut Asm, RH (strut, spring, mount) 1
22981391 Rear Shock 2
22922445 Rear Shock Mount, LH 1
22922446 Rear Shock Mount, RH 1
22845487 Rear Toe Link 2
20941932 Rear Cradle Bushing, Front 2
20941933 Rear Cradle Bushing, Rear 2
23102312 Installation Instructions 4

Also will this lower my car?

Will I need to change my wheels to 20x10s on all 4 corners like the 1LE?

Did you just call up your local GM dealer and ask for the 1LE track package?

rockrau 08-10-2013 04:28 PM

PEDDERS
 
Pace Car Kit & 1lE Wheels & Tires:whoo:

intensifi 08-10-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andymon (Post 6882608)
Did you just call up your local GM dealer and ask for the 1LE track package?

???

The BOM is from the GM Performance catalog.

If I end up buying it I'll probably buy it from Maureen @ Rodgers Chevrolet.

Andymon 08-11-2013 01:04 PM

GM catalog..got it!!

wakespeak 12-29-2013 10:01 PM

Hi guys just confirmed my 2013 FE4 SS has the 20941932 front cradle bushings. I can just see the part number from under the car on the exposed part of the bushing. I am thinking the rears are also the same as the track pack kit as well. The track pack must assume 2010-2011 FE3 as a starting point, which has the earlier bushing type. This makes sense as the shock mounts are not needed on the FE4 cars either...I am going to make a leap and say the FE6 front struts are the same "re-valved" FE4 units also.

I am just going to do the rear shocks and the sway bars on top of the FE4.

Edit: also did the rear toe links. These are definitely worth it for the improved spherical bearings at the joints instead of rubber. Made a surprising improvement in the handling. Zero defection. I used to be in the habit of timing a corner to allow for the rear end "to settle". Not needed now. I don't feel any rear end steer on hard acceleration anymore either.

Scott@Bjorn3D 12-30-2013 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakespeak (Post 7295469)
Hi guys just confirmed my 2013 FE4 SS has the 20941932 front cradle bushings. I can just see the part number from under the car on the exposed part of the bushing. I am thinking the rears are also the same as the track pack kit as well. The track pack must assume 2010-2011 FE3 as a starting point, which has the earlier bushing type. This makes sense as the shock mounts are not needed on the FE4 cars either...I am going to make a leap and say the FE6 front struts are the same "re-valved" FE4 units also.

I am just going to do the rear shocks and the sway bars on top of the FE4.

They are not the same. My kit just came in and I went and held the new bushings. The new ones I can not squeeze or flex, the ones on my car I can easily push in with my hand. The ones on my car are just soft rubber.


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