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Mikamaro 08-06-2013 09:51 AM

Finally got the 1LE track pack installed! My Street/Track review
 
:amen:
I finally got the 1LE track pack installed on my 2010 SS LS3
Okay, first impression: Did I pay all that money for nothing?
I took the car from the garage home, drove 40 miles on it since and nothing is really different at first sight, I can feel a bit more damping on bump but really nothing dramatic.
I'm getting the alignment done this afternoon and heading for the Track at 5pm. I'm hoping the difference will raise & shine there!
I look forward comparing data with you guys.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/pictur...ctureid=102742

Dropspeed 08-06-2013 10:30 AM

IMO the stock 1LE suspension is deceivingly compliant on the street but works well at the track. There is still some body roll and dive, but with 1LE 285 Goodyears it works very well.

RenegadeSS 08-06-2013 10:54 AM

Where did you order the kit from?

slick rick 08-06-2013 12:35 PM

Besides the track pack, did you have to buy anything extra to make it fit on a 2010?

gajagfan 08-06-2013 12:45 PM

I am curious what that kit cost.

Fraxum 08-06-2013 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 6863609)
IMO the stock 1LE suspension is deceivingly compliant on the street but works well at the track. There is still some body roll and dive, but with 1LE 285 Goodyears it works very well.

+1 IMO the Goodyears are a big part of the 1LE. OP what tires are you running?

My 2011 SS had a full suspension work over with no dive, zero rear stepout, zero wheelhop, and neutral cornering but with the stock Pirellis. The 1LE with a little stepout, some wheelhop, a little understeer, and despite all that feels better planted than my '11. I feel more confident in the corners, but I have not tracked the 1LE yet.

Switching over from the modded '11 SS to the 1LE I did feel a difference. Not night and day, but noticeably better balanced.

Could it be the tires?

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 02:26 PM

Okay, so back from the alignment shop and my second impression is very good. The alignment has absolutely change the car (off course). I think the front ends feels about 25% tighter than before, turns in a lot quicker and the damping does feel compliant but it gets stiffer at speeds were has the stock got softer it seems.

I got onto 180 degrees highway ramp at about 55 mph and the front was not even close to understeer but it was too much for the Stability control, it put the front brakes to slow down the car. Something that didn't happen before. I've put it in Comp mode to avoid the intrusion of the system since I think it's now way to secure for the 1LE setup on the 2010 SS. I guess they've changed the configuration of the ECM on the 2013 1LE since no one made that remark before.

I got a relatively ''Aggressive'' alignment for Street & Track.
I've used the FE6 setup but double de front negative camber only.
Front Camber: -1.66
Front Toe Total: -0.2
Rear Camber: -0.78
Rear Toe Total : -0.2

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/pictur...ctureid=109004

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick rick (Post 6864121)
Besides the track pack, did you have to buy anything extra to make it fit on a 2010?

No. except one minor detail, you need to open up the 10mm hole to attach the 12mm front sway bar link bolt.

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fraxum (Post 6864283)
+1 IMO the Goodyears are a big part of the 1LE. OP what tires are you running?

My 2011 SS had a full suspension work over with no dive, zero rear stepout, zero wheelhop, and neutral cornering but with the stock Pirellis. The 1LE with a little stepout, some wheelhop, a little understeer, and despite all that feels better planted than my '11. I feel more confident in the corners, but I have not tracked the 1LE yet.

Switching over from the modded '11 SS to the 1LE I did feel a difference. Not night and day, but noticeably better balanced.

Could it be the tires?

Humm, maybe, I've run the Pirelli'S to the bare rubber on my square setup 275/40R20 with about 9 track days and I have to admit there were good, well balanced tire. I could get them to perfrom with only 32-33 psi hot.
This year I have the Nitto NT05 275/40R20 x4 and track the car 5 times. They are more sticky and needs to run at a higher temp about 38 to 40 psi hot. Otherwise the sidewall ''collapse'' on hard braking and get the feeling you' in the Flinstone Rolling with 4 square tires!! lol

Data wise they both hit 1.04G lateral on my stock SS suspension

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gajagfan (Post 6864144)
I am curious what that kit cost.

Many GM parts store sells them, between $1000 to $1500 plus installation ($300) plus alignment ($114)

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 03:22 PM

I'm leaving for the Track, Can't wait anymore...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/pictur...ctureid=109033

Outlaw77 08-06-2013 03:32 PM

Did you get the different gears as well?

cornerspeed92 08-06-2013 04:43 PM

...oh sure he leaves us hanging:pop2: bet he's having a ton of fun!

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92 (Post 6865121)
...oh sure he leaves us hanging:pop2: bet he's having a ton of fun!

Well, not so much. I was only able to get 5 laps. There was a crash in my first session out. It took 2 hours to clear the track. By then it was dark and went home.

I will take the time to write my review tomorrow but let me tell you this, It's not the same car anymore, I' ve pulled a 1.15g lateral.

Mikamaro 08-06-2013 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw77 (Post 6864845)
Did you get the different gears as well?

No. Im not interested to change it since I like the 3.45 final gear ratio.

Mikamaro 08-07-2013 08:32 PM

One image speak for a thousand words. Here's 15 minutes of 30 frames per second...

https://t.co/ZJ1bpZ3sKK

PYROLYSIS 08-07-2013 09:04 PM

How often do crashes happen at the track with these type events?

Mikamaro 08-07-2013 09:14 PM

Often, 6 out of 10 events.

AG454 08-07-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6864607)
Many GM parts store sells them, between $1000 to $1500 plus installation ($300) plus alignment ($114)

I have been told that you need part # 20942237 newer rear lower control arms to install on a 2010-11? Was this the case?

Mikamaro 08-07-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG383 (Post 6871557)
I have been told that you need part # 20942237 newer rear lower control arms to install on a 2010-11? Was this the case?

Yes. It comes included in the package. See picture in my first post.

AG454 08-07-2013 09:48 PM

That's what I thought, but some vendors description of the package don't match the picture. Looking forward to your write up on the track pack. I've been contemplating getting one, but was waiting for someone to install and review. Thanks.

Dropspeed 08-08-2013 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6871549)
Often, 6 out of 10 events.

You need to find a better group of drivers to run with :) This happens ...but 60% of the is too often!

AND....Review???

gajagfan 08-08-2013 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6871300)
One image speak for a thousand words. Here's 15 minutes of 30 frames per second...

https://t.co/ZJ1bpZ3sKK

Are those speeds in MPH or KPH?

Mikamaro 08-08-2013 09:58 AM

Okay so here is my maiden track voyage review.

My initial feeling is where the OEM SS suspension limited the car in braking & turn ins & outs, now it’s the Tires that limits it.

There is just not enough of it to match the 1LE suspension. I feel that it needs more rear rubbers with the 1LE, I'm dealing with a lot more snap oversteer out of each corner in 2nd gear now. It might have been because of cold tires but when hot, it still feels like the back is not following the front like it did before turning in. I'm running square setup 275/40R20 Nitto NT05.

The car is a lot more tight everywhere, I can get in an apex faster and come out faster but I need more time to feel assured and knowing the limits. Where I could dump the throttle just coming out of the Apex, now I need to muster it or wait to finish the turn out to dump it or stay in 3rd to avoid it.

The front sway bars works very well. No more lift or let’s say 50% less of it. Same with lateral movement, It’s greatly reduced. The front end bites so much more now, it’s going to be fun to attack the Brake In zone into the Apex. The limits has been raise quite a lot, near 25 % of stiffness.

I have run over a few humps and the car is a lot less upset, the damping takes good take of it. Before I was moving a lot more up and down and the suspension just couldn’t carry the speed anymore where now; you are gliding over it.

I feel that, I was not able to improve track times because it’s really a new car, different and need to learn it’s limits again. Off course with a bit more track time we will tell the whole story.

I think the 2013 1LE track success is mostly because of the wider wheels and gripper tires.

With 1LE track pack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzixq7xZVR4

OEM SS suspension:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScVKrYicoB4

Mikamaro 08-08-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 6872909)
You need to find a better group of drivers to run with :) This happens ...but 60% of the is too often!

AND....Review???

I'm attending 3 different clubs. I was stating that fact in general.
Most accidents are minor but in the Advanced group, Guys with a lot of experience are pushing it too much and crash harder.
Last Tuesday, It was a guy with 7 years of track experience driving a friend's Prosche with his girlfriend aboard... bad combination. 3 weeks ago an experienced porsche club member died at LCMT, 39 years old in front of his wife and kids.
It's a dangerous sport.


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