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Primus 07-08-2009 01:15 PM

V6 Manual Shifting
 
Is anyone else having an issue with the manual shifter in the V6? I've owned many manual transmissions in various cars including a 6-speed manual in a 1999 Firehawk T/A and I have to say I am disappointed with my shifter. I'm not sure if there is something wrong or what.

If I sit there with the clutch pushed all the way in and run through the gears it seems extremely clunky to me. It takes way more force to get through the gears then I'm used to. Are other Camaros like this or is it just mine? I know this is a subjective question but I'm trying to figure out if I need to take mine in or not. It drives fine and gets through the gears, just not as smooth as I'm used to.

rolnslo 07-08-2009 01:41 PM

I'll agree that it certainly isn't as smooth as I had hoped. It works but it would be nice if it didn't take quite so much effort to get it into gear.

bond2 07-08-2009 01:51 PM

Hey guys, my only other long term experience with a manual is my converted Trans Am, and I have the Pro 5.0 short throw, which is awesome. So I kinda expected the stock shifter on the Camaro to be a bit stiffer with longer throws. Now after 2 years using the Pro 5.0, it has really lossened up, and I like it even better, so I am thinking our stock piece on the Camaro will loosen up a bit. I am still probably gonna swap for a short throw at some point though. I will agree that sometimes to actually get it into gear, especially 1st you kinda have to shove it harder than should be required. But not always, so i wonder if your alignment just has to be perfect? I would recommend taking it to the dealer and have them look at it since its bothering you. GM should be made aware of the issue so they can possibly issue a TSB to smooth it up. I am taking mine in for stripes on Monday and I will mention it to the service manager to see what he thinks.

EarliestMemory 07-08-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Primus (Post 659045)
If I sit there with the clutch pushed all the way in and run through the gears it seems extremely clunky to me. It takes way more force to get through the gears then I'm used to. Are other Camaros like this or is it just mine?

It's not just yours. Mine is really hard to shift into 2nd in particular - I thought it was just me (been 10+ years since I had a manual) but then my husband mentioned it after he drove it while I was out of town. We were wondering if others had experienced this as well.

Xanthos 07-08-2009 02:07 PM

When I did the same thing (sat with the clutch in and ran through the gears) in number 3's car I didn't notice this at all. Maybe its something like bond said, and it'll smooth out over time?
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EarliestMemory 07-08-2009 02:23 PM

That's what I'm hoping. My car has about 700mi on it now.

acehole 07-08-2009 02:29 PM

Got 2700 miles and it still shifts the same...But there is hope..saw a post where they were offering a smoother shifter..gonna put one in this winter and see how it goes

Xanthos 07-08-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by acehole (Post 659382)
Got 2700 miles and it still shifts the same...But there is hope..saw a post where they were offering a smoother shifter..gonna put one in this winter and see how it goes

Well, I believe number 3's car numbered in the 10s of thousands of miles. :iono:
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Primus 07-08-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XanthosV6 (Post 659297)
When I did the same thing (sat with the clutch in and ran through the gears) in number 3's car I didn't notice this at all. Maybe its something like bond said, and it'll smooth out over time?
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Ahh, but his car didn't have the same transmission. Remember, they switched up the transmission at the last minute for the V6 in April/May. They went with a different spec.

This is disappointing to hear that others are having the same issue. Like I said, it isn't horrible but it would be so much nicer to drive if it was smoother moving gears.

Xanthos 07-08-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Primus (Post 659536)
Ahh, but his car didn't have the same transmission. Remember, they switched up the transmission at the last minute for the V6 in April/May. They went with a different spec.

This is disappointing to hear that others are having the same issue. Like I said, it isn't horrible but it would be so much nicer to drive if it was smoother moving gears.

Hmm... I don't remember reading that. Link?
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EarliestMemory 07-08-2009 03:22 PM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20054

There's another thread around here somewhere where they specifically mentioned a sync issue w/2nd gear - so interesting that it's 2nd I have the most trouble with. However, NOT enough trouble that I don't love this car!

Hard to search on this b/c "V6" is too short a search term but I'll see if I can dig it up.

Edit: Here it is.

I think there's another thread where someone asked a GM person about this in a webcast? (Primus maybe?)

smoothoperator 07-08-2009 03:32 PM

I think the V6 is smoother then the V8

Xanthos 07-08-2009 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EarliestMemory (Post 659591)
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20054

There's another thread around here somewhere where they specifically mentioned a sync issue w/2nd gear - so interesting that it's 2nd I have the most trouble with. However, NOT enough trouble that I don't love this car!

Hard to search on this b/c "V6" is too short a search term but I'll see if I can dig it up.

Edit: Here it is.

I think there's another thread where someone asked a GM person about this in a webcast? (Primus maybe?)

Ah. I must have missed this. Honestly, if its the difference between a weaker tranny and slightly stiffer shifts, I'll take the stiffer shifts.
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Primus 07-08-2009 03:59 PM

Yeah, I posed the question on cz28.com and John Fitzpatrick kind of answered it in one of their podcasts.

ckaram 07-08-2009 06:30 PM

I don't think you can compare a 99 Firehawk to this trans fairly, can you? Wasn't that a Tremec?

I don't have shifting issues (600 miles), but my first impression was that the throws are long. It is the factory unit in a V6 so I'm not phased. Maybe the Hurst will find its way into my car some day.

francone13 07-08-2009 07:30 PM

i think the shifting is fine....but also this is my first manual....i did drive my brothers 2000 jetta and i think the camaros shifting is better

smoothoperator 07-08-2009 07:30 PM

Does anyone know if something like the this would possibly help?

I used to use something similar in my old talon TSi... Oddly enough 2nd gear in these cars were known for being rough

http://theoilgarage.com/products/trans_synchromesh.jpg

rays 07-08-2009 08:20 PM

Its clunkier than expected. According to the reviews it was very smooth. That was before the redesign though. It has to be the changes they made to beef it up that made it clunky.
Specifically the syncros

smoothoperator 07-08-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rays (Post 660651)
Its clunkier than expected. According to the reviews it was very smooth. That was before the redesign though. It has to be the changes they made to beef it up that made it clunky.
Specifically the syncros

Is it enough to maybe take the automatic transmission over the M6?

Primus 07-08-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ckaram (Post 660314)
I don't think you can compare a 99 Firehawk to this trans fairly, can you? Wasn't that a Tremec?

I don't have shifting issues (600 miles), but my first impression was that the throws are long. It is the factory unit in a V6 so I'm not phased. Maybe the Hurst will find its way into my car some day.

Obviously it isn't a direct comparison. Although, smoothness of shift shouldn't be defined by the amount of power in a car.

I also owned a pontiac solstice with an Aisin transmission and it was smoother then this.

Again, I'm not saying its unusable, just that it could (and probably should) be smoother.

rays 07-08-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothoperator (Post 660667)
Is it enough to maybe take the automatic transmission over the M6?

Well thats your call I guess. If your lucky enough to drive both before you buy then do it. I still like the manual. Like some others said, its the shift into second thats an issue. Its doesnt go into second as easy as the rest.

Here are the posts on the changes by somebody "in the know". From what he said it makes sense you would notice something on Second.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...postcount=1259

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=17

smoothoperator 07-08-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rays (Post 660764)
Well thats your call I guess. If your lucky enough to drive both before you buy then do it. I still like the manual. Like some others said, its the shift into second thats an issue. Its doesnt go into second as easy as the rest.

Here are the posts on the changes by somebody "in the know". From what he said it makes sense you would notice something on Second.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...postcount=1259

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=17

So is this every single V6 M6 that has the abnormal shift into 2nd or just certain ones?

rays 07-08-2009 09:21 PM

There were only a handful of M6 V6 cars made without the redesign. Some pre-production M6 V6's were used in many reviews. Number 3's is probably the only production vin with the original trans design. Or at least the only one I've heard of.

bengen5 07-08-2009 09:57 PM

guess i better buff up before i take delivery in hopefully a few days

smoothoperator 07-08-2009 10:00 PM

Is it just forceful shifting or is it actually crunchy throwing it into 2nd?


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