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JANNETTYRACING 09-16-2013 04:23 PM

JRE 100 RWHP PACAKGE MAKE 575 RWHP ON 91 OCTANE
 
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Just off the dyno with our JRE ZL-1 100 RWHP Package consisting of;

2013 ZL-1 Convertible M6

Rotofab CAI
Rotofab dual mode Scoop
VMAX Ported 90MM TB
ATI superdamper
LPE 18% over drive crank pulley
Gates HD Belt
ID-850 injectors
Pfadt Tri Y Headers
Mild to Wild Switch on Homelink
SCT 3400 tuner
JRE Custom tuning.
91 octane fuel

Any Questions feel free to ask.


white ZL1 09-16-2013 05:33 PM

OUTstanding! Exactly the direction I want to go, just maybe with a 2.55 upper too.
Well done, Ted.

ZO6 Bryan 09-16-2013 08:00 PM

What was total timing advance at WOT with 91 octane?

AMMUSCLE 09-16-2013 09:53 PM

Sweet!!!!!!!!
Nice job on 91 octane.:hail:
Great package.
Love watching that video over and over.
Ok now I'm really anxious to drive it now.
Ted, Kris and JRE crew big thanks for a great job on this.:clap2:
Be seeing you soon for PU

Skylane765 09-16-2013 11:41 PM

What can we get if we run 93 oct ? Will we get more power and can it be tuned for use with Torco?

Drew P 09-17-2013 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ZO6 Bryan (Post 7008222)
What was total timing advance at WOT with 91 octane?

My money is on less than 16 degrees.

JANNETTYRACING 09-17-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS (Post 7007666)
OUTstanding! Exactly the direction I want to go, just maybe with a 2.55 upper too.
Well done, Ted.

The 2.55 combined with this set up puts the blower at MAX Speed and the octane available at the pump will not tolerate it very well it is what we call diminishing returns.

We like the large upper pulley for max belt traction.

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Originally Posted by ZO6 Bryan (Post 7008222)
What was total timing advance at WOT with 91 octane?

Timing varies with RPM not a fixed number.

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Originally Posted by AMMUSCLE (Post 7008702)
Sweet!!!!!!!!
Nice job on 91 octane.:hail:
Great package.
Love watching that video over and over.
Ok now I'm really anxious to drive it now.
Ted, Kris and JRE crew big thanks for a great job on this.:clap2:
Be seeing you soon for PU

Thank you for choosing JRE, We were excited to see what this package does on 91 octane.

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Originally Posted by Skylane765 (Post 7009061)
What can we get if we run 93 oct ? Will we get more power and can it be tuned for use with Torco?

Yes typically 20 more RWHP on 93.

white ZL1 09-17-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 7009468)
The 2.55 combined with this set up puts the blower at MAX Speed and the octane available at the pump will not tolerate it very well it is what we call diminishing returns.

We like the large upper pulley for max belt traction.

Ted, in your experience is the 18% lower pulley the most optimum on pump gas in this type of package then?
In other words, going to a 9.55 pulley would allow for less timing thus no significant gain in power....just more blower speed and heat?

JANNETTYRACING 09-17-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS (Post 7010140)
Ted, in your experience is the 18% lower pulley the most optimum on pump gas in this type of package then?
In other words, going to a 9.55 pulley would allow for less timing thus no significant gain in power....just more blower speed and heat?

I believe it is a very good combo that will have Sustaining HP not just a 5 second dyno number.

The faster you turn the blower the less time you can make the power as IAT Climbs faster.

The small size of the internal intercooler is the Limit on how much power you can make for how long.

No Heat exchanger or reservoir will make a difference.


Ted.

white ZL1 09-17-2013 12:10 PM

Gotcha. Thank you, sir. :thumb:

2010 SSRS 09-17-2013 12:16 PM

Horsepower :clap2:

white ZL1 09-17-2013 12:48 PM

Ted....sending you a PM about this package.

JANNETTYRACING 09-17-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skylane765 (Post 7009061)
What can we get if we run 93 oct ? Will we get more power and can it be tuned for use with Torco?

Thanks to James he had the same question and was willing to purchase a second tune for 93

Here are the results of same package and tune set up for 93 octane.

This dyno sheet is a back to back comparison of 91 vs 93 tunes and fuel.

594 RWHP 568 RWTQ

AMMUSCLE 09-17-2013 02:46 PM

Ted

Wow, you guys just seem to amaze me with customer service and the quality work you guys put out.
All I can say is thank you, thank you.:thanks:

This morning I called and asked the question can you get me more on 93 octane and give me a second tune for my Car and SCT to store. I know how busy you are and you had already pulled my car off the dyno, you told me yes you would fit me in and get this done, even as booked as you were.

Same day you squeeze these numbers out and really impressive ones at that.

Things like this are what I heard about your shop, that brought me here in the first place.

I now have 2 tunes in my SCT for this car. One for 91 and one for 93.
Talk about the best of both worlds.:thumb:
Again thank you.
James

Drew P 09-17-2013 03:09 PM

Ted is right about the addition of a 2.55 upper - the IAT2s skyrocket and the amount of timing you need to pull makes the gains negligible unless you are driving on race gas. I have attempted multiple pulley combinations and found this to be true. I am working with D3PE to try to construct a revised intercooler - but as of yet it has not happened. If anyone knows of a company building intercoolers (not HX) for a ZL1 let me know.

hairtrigger 09-17-2013 03:20 PM

The stock fuel pump up to this?

JANNETTYRACING 09-17-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hairtrigger (Post 7011013)
The stock fuel pump up to this?

Yes fuel pressure holds solid.

JANNETTYRACING 09-17-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew P (Post 7010967)
Ted is right about the addition of a 2.55 upper - the IAT2s skyrocket and the amount of timing you need to pull makes the gains negligible unless you are driving on race gas. I have attempted multiple pulley combinations and found this to be true. I am working with D3PE to try to construct a revised intercooler - but as of yet it has not happened. If anyone knows of a company building intercoolers (not HX) for a ZL1 let me know.

We have done a lot with PD blowers and found that the Heat exchanger and tank do nothing to improve IAT, because the Intercooler inside the blower is just simply taxed at higher air flow.

So your on the right track, you need a larger intercooler Inside the Blower.

We even run Ice water through them and still get the same rise in temp 90 Degrees in a 10 second run, whether we start at 100 or 32 degrees

With Ice water, the only advantage is starting and finishing lower.

Ted.

hognutz 09-17-2013 05:14 PM

I need this upgrade so bad. If only I was not poor.

swizlstik 09-17-2013 07:43 PM

Want!!

Very nice!!!

crg 09-17-2013 07:56 PM

Ted, I know HP numbers will vary with different mods, but what would be the HP limit of a 90mm throttle body before one would need to go to a 102mm?

Skylane765 09-17-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 7011095)
We have done a lot with PD blowers and found that the Heat exchanger and tank do nothing to improve IAT, because the Intercooler inside the blower is just simply taxed at higher air flow.

So your on the right track, you need a larger intercooler Inside the Blower.

We even run Ice water through them and still get the same rise in temp 90 Degrees in a 10 second run, whether we start at 100 or 32 degrees

With Ice water, the only advantage is starting and finishing lower.

Ted.

I agree with you Ted, that's why I see no real advantage to run a bigger tank unless we can cool it. I have always said just putting on a bigger tank will not do much.

ZO6 Bryan 09-17-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew P (Post 7009426)
My money is on less than 16 degrees.

16 deg with a 9.55 pulley and 93 octane is what I was able to run. With half and half 104 octane and 93 octane I ran 20.5 deg advance and picked up another 5 mph in the 1/4.

Ted, I was just curious average above 4000 rpm how much timing it could tolerate. I know it varies with RPM but where do you max out?

blk13 09-17-2013 10:05 PM

Was this with or with out cats? whats the horsepower difference if I was to run the cats with these headers.

JANNETTYRACING 09-18-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crg (Post 7011971)
Ted, I know HP numbers will vary with different mods, but what would be the HP limit of a 90mm throttle body before one would need to go to a 102mm?

It is Unlikely you will max out a 90mm TB with this 1900 blower.

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Originally Posted by Skylane765 (Post 7012258)
I agree with you Ted, that's why I see no real advantage to run a bigger tank unless we can cool it. I have always said just putting on a bigger tank will not do much.

In my experience a tank under the hood just collects Heat, that is why GM opted out of a tank.

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Originally Posted by ZO6 Bryan (Post 7012404)
16 deg with a 9.55 pulley and 93 octane is what I was able to run. With half and half 104 octane and 93 octane I ran 20.5 deg advance and picked up another 5 mph in the 1/4.

Boost Loves Octane.

Ted, I was just curious average above 4000 rpm how much timing it could tolerate. I know it varies with RPM but where do you max out?

I hate to quote timing numbers because people will take it as gospel and every combination is unique, and I don't want anyone hurting they're engines on what I said.

I suggest you continue to test what works best for your combination.

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Originally Posted by blk13 (Post 7012439)
Was this with or with out cats? whats the horsepower difference if I was to run the cats with these headers.

This was With Cats, I don't expect any Power difference without them.

Ted.


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