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racerx8 10-02-2013 07:06 PM

Pedders 1LE Permagrin install
 
I finally installed my Pedders 1LE Permagrin pkge last week. Hang your Camaro from a two post lift and tip #1 heat the stock rear sub-frame bushes until you see the gooey stuff at the top and with a good slide hammer they will pop right out. Clean up the holes and lube the EP1201 HD bushes, slide them right in. Don't forget to time the bushes. Hang the 1LE 32mm bar and 45 minutes later you are done. The EP6577 front radius bushes just remove them, hydraulic press out the old and press in the new and in less than 2 hrs. front and rear done and off the lift. Thanks, Pedders, they work!:thumbup:

Orange Crush 1LE 10-02-2013 07:58 PM

That is going to be one kick-ass handling Camaro. You will surprise quite a few Mustangs at the track, among others. Enjoy and keep us posted after you've put it through the paces!

racerx8 10-02-2013 08:04 PM

thanks, OC it doesn't hurt with 457 rwhp either! :)

Orange Crush 1LE 10-02-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by racerx8 (Post 7057632)
thanks, OC it doesn't hurt with 457 rwhp either! :)

My car is on the chassis dyno as we speak, dialing in the cam, longtubes, high-flow cats and CAI. I don't think I'll hit numbers as high as yours, as I went mild lift on the cam since my machine's a road courser. I pick her up tomorrow! :cool:

UPDATE: Just got a call from the shop, 478 RWHP! So much for a mild cam, LOL

JusticePete 10-02-2013 08:49 PM

I can feel the 11LE love in the air :grouphug:

Firefighter 10-02-2013 09:03 PM

This kit and springs are getting done early next year...

EarlyApex 10-03-2013 11:05 AM

Can you explain your comment on "timing the bushings". Maybe show pictures?

jgalewsk 10-03-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EarlyApex (Post 7059228)
Can you explain your comment on "timing the bushings". Maybe show pictures?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179281

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153188

Those two links should explain everything... If you still have questions, feel free to ask. Hopefully, someone might be able to get some pictures during install for ya.

JusticePete 10-03-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlyApex (Post 7059228)
Can you explain your comment on "timing the bushings". Maybe show pictures?

A rubber bushing with a bonded steel ferule does not rotate when the control arm articulates. It twists. When a vehicle is on a lift and the wheels hanging down, that is the furthest downward motion possible. If you tighten the suspension bolts in that position when the vehicle is set on the ground the bushing will be twisted, under load, and want to 'spring back to the full droop position. When the suspension is compressed further traversing a bump in the road the resistance in that bushing increases and then wants to 'spring' back down past the at rest ride height and to full droop.

In short, there is more bushing resistance in the compression of the suspension and less resistance on the rebound. I'll do a video over the next couple of days with a control arm in a vice.

Big C CamaroSS 10-03-2013 04:28 PM

This question is for racerx8 or Pete. Is this an install a certified (Hyundai) mechanic can do? My mechanic buddy did an outstanding job installing my Magnuson supercharger, but he had the step by step manual to guide him. Are there instructions on the Pedders website that I could print off that would guide him (us) installing the 1LE Permagrin pkg? The 32mm sway bar should be straight forward (hopefully).....I'm concerned with the bushings!

This is for Pete....I have the Pedders ZL1 27mm front & 32mm rear sway bars. What would adding the front sway bar do to the 1LE's handling?

JusticePete 10-03-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C CamaroSS (Post 7060558)
This question is for racerx8 or Pete. Is this an install a certified (Hyundai) mechanic can do? My mechanic buddy did an outstanding job installing my Magnuson supercharger, but he had the step by step manual to guide him. Are there instructions on the Pedders website that I could print off that would guide him (us) installing the 1LE Permagrin pkg? The 32mm sway bar should be straight forward (hopefully).....I'm concerned with the bushings!

This is for Pete....I have the Pedders ZL1 27mm front & 32mm rear sway bars. What would adding the front sway bar do to the 1LE's handling?

Sways are straight forward. The rear is cake. In the front, on a lift the key is to work off one or both of the OEM sway bar brackets. A pair of large Channel lock pliers give good leverage. I have seen techs do it with large screw drivers. Once the bracket or brackets are off the hard work is over.

Using our 27 compared to the factory 27 is a no brainer. It is Pedders Red and automatically adds 15 RWHP :happy0180:

The factory bar is fixed position. Our bar is adjustable. Using the enter hole consider it a factory bar. Move to the softest hole, the hole furthest away from the mounting straps and closest to the firewall, your 1LE delivers an incredibly smooth transition to oversteer at slightly lower track speeds. If you want to dial it down, move the endlinks to the hole closest to the radiator. You now have more bar than OEM.

Sway bar settings are not locked down. Want just a little more bar? Then move one endlink to the soft hole and leave the other in the center hole. Adjust tire pressure, alignment, spring rate, compression and rebound along with incremental changes to the bars. Pretty soon we have some flexibility in setup :cool:

racerx8 10-03-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C CamaroSS (Post 7060558)
This question is for racerx8 or Pete. Is this an install a certified (Hyundai) mechanic can do? My mechanic buddy did an outstanding job installing my Magnuson supercharger, but he had the step by step manual to guide him. Are there instructions on the Pedders website that I could print off that would guide him (us) installing the 1LE Permagrin pkg? The 32mm sway bar should be straight forward (hopefully).....I'm concerned with the bushings!

This is for Pete....I have the Pedders ZL1 27mm front & 32mm rear sway bars. What would adding the front sway bar do to the 1LE's handling?

Regarding the rear bushing R&R see my original post here, it's actually quite easy the way I did it. Refer to Pete's post on the front radius bushing R&R, loosely tight, then to spec tighten with suspension loaded (on the ground or lowered onto an alignment rack).
Good luck and enjoy the ride, Joe :)


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