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camaro500 10-15-2013 01:42 PM

how do you like your full rear cradle bushings
 
I am going to buy full rear cradle bushings and want to know how your DIY experience went and if the upgrade was worth the 250$+ and the roughly 6 hours to install?

BMR Sales 10-15-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7094961)
I am going to buy full rear cradle bushings and want to know how your DIY experience went and if the upgrade was worth the 250$+ and the roughly 6 hours to install?

Installing either the poly-urethane or solid rear cradle bushings isn't one of the easier upgrades to do on a Camaro but it will definitely be one of the best that you can do. IMHO the increase in performance well outweighs the cost and labor to install them. It will be one of the best upgrade you can! :D

camaro500 10-15-2013 02:06 PM

thank you I will be ordering your bushings through the bmr website in the following week.

JDP Tyler 10-15-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR Sales (Post 7095007)
Installing either the poly-urethane or solid rear cradle bushings isn't one of the easier upgrades to do on a Camaro but it will definitely be one of the best that you can do. IMHO the increase in performance well outweighs the cost and labor to install them. It will be one of the best upgrade you can! :D

Agreed! Not an easy task, but WELL worth it! :thumbsup:

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JusticePete 10-15-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7094961)
I am going to buy full rear cradle bushings and want to know how your DIY experience went and if the upgrade was worth the 250$+ and the roughly 6 hours to install?

6 hours to install sub-frame bushngs :thumbdown:

Camaro Sub-frame bushings are easy to install if you have four jack stands, two floor jacks a a propane torch.

1. Put the car on jack stands.
2. Set your floor jack under the differential
3. Remove one sub-frame bolt, screw it back in 1/2" and repeat on the remaining three
4. Remove two sub-frame bolts on either the driver or passenger side
5. Lower the jack under the differential just enough to place a 1" socket in between the top of the sub-frame bush ferule
6. Use the second floor jack to lift the corner of the sub-frame with the socket.
7. Add pressure once you are sure the socket is secure between the top of the bushing ferule and the 'frame' rail in the monocoque
8 when you start to lift the car off the jackstand heat the metal that surrounds the sub-frame bushing.
9. keep heating until the bushing falls on the floor
10. Repeat three more times

In a shop this takes an hour once the car is on the lift. In your home garage it takes two hours.

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 7057592)
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camaro500 10-16-2013 11:28 AM

thank you for the install tips, very helpful! I see that the full bushing does not move at all but costs double that of BMR full bushing. Many people settle on inserts because of the price. I am willing to spend 250-350$ on bushings but the pedders HD are over my budget. I am buying multiple parts and will not be running over 450WHP in the next 18 months.

BMR Sales 10-16-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7095043)
thank you I will be ordering your bushings through the bmr website in the following week.

Awesome! If there is anything else we can do to help you out let us know. :headbang:

JusticePete 10-16-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7097701)
thank you for the install tips, very helpful! I see that the full bushing does not move at all but costs double that of BMR full bushing. Many people settle on inserts because of the price. I am willing to spend 250-350$ on bushings but the Pedders HD are over my budget. I am buying multiple parts and will not be running over 450WHP in the next 18 months.

Our EP1200 Inserts will do the job for you.

BMR Sales 10-16-2013 12:07 PM

Our BMR full rear cradle bushings (BK024) will offer way more movement control than the Pedders rear cradle inserts and on top of that the Pedders rear cradle inserts are more expensive than our full rear cradle bushings. IMHO our BMR full rear cradle bushing will be the best choice here especially if you are looking to get the most performance gain within your tight budget.

JusticePete 10-16-2013 01:37 PM

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BMR Sales 10-16-2013 02:18 PM

So what you are trying to say is that for the OP's budget of $250-$350 your rear cradle inserts will perform better than our full rear cradle bushings? I am definitely not going to agree with you on this. Also I am sure the guys you have on that list are using these rear cradle inserts since it is the only rear cradle inserts/bushings you have available that are within the OP's budget?

The way I look at it is that you have someone that is on a tight budget and looking to get the most for their money. Their budget is $250-$350 which they clearly say in a post in this thread yet you are wanting to try to sell them something that is twice the price and compare the parts they are looking at to something way more expensive. That makes perfect sense.

I am definitely not saying that there aren't better performing options out there that are pricier but it isn't within the OP's budget. Solid rear cradle bushing would be the ideal choice since it will control the rear cradle movement better than any poly-urethane bushing will which will lead to better overall performance but I am not going to recommend them because they are more than the OP is looking to spend.

Evil-Bee-NH 10-16-2013 02:24 PM

It's a vendor war everyone run for the hills!!!

JusticePete 10-16-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH (Post 7098315)
It's a vendor war everyone run for the hills!!!

:lol:

BMR Sales 10-16-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH (Post 7098315)
It's a vendor war everyone run for the hills!!!

Nah just a little friendly banter back and forth, I am sure in the end we will just agree to disagree.

blazzin1 10-16-2013 03:08 PM

Kick his @$$ "SeaBass"!!!!!! (I mean Kyle)!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing: :argue: :fighting0056: :character0264:

BMR FTW!!!!

ActNup NY 10-20-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH (Post 7098315)
It's a vendor war everyone run for the hills!!!

Lol !! I was just thinking the same as I was reading. :)


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camaro500 10-21-2013 07:29 AM

Ended up ordering the bmr inserts and pfadt trailing arm package as advised to me by a reputable person. I am very excited to install. Should help out the rear end. I'll keep you guys posted on the install and test drive

blazzin1 10-21-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7111578)
Ended up ordering the bmr inserts and pfadt trailing arm package as advised to me by a reputable person. I am very excited to install. Should help out the rear end. I'll keep you guys posted on the install and test drive

Glad to see that you went with the BMR Bushing Inserts, you won't be disappointed!!!

caverman 10-21-2013 02:41 PM

OP....I know you've already placed your order but thought I would at least let you see my thread. If you're going to be installing these yourself just know what you'll be getting into with that style of insert. If you drop the cradle all together you can probably get a decent angle on those inserts but if you plan to do it from side to side there is a good chance you'll run into the issues I did. Not saying you will 100%. Just know how much easier the Pedders inserts are to install.

Mine were Energy Suspension inserts. I don't know if the poly will be the same as BMR but the design is the same. IMO it was worth the extra money for the Pedders inserts.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=pedders

ssmike 10-21-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7094961)
I am going to buy full rear cradle bushings and want to know how your DIY experience went and if the upgrade was worth the 250$+ and the roughly 6 hours to install?

I wish I would have seen this thread before you ordered! I went the same route as you when I installed the BMR inserts and trailing arms. At first they seemed OK but I was still getting rear end step out and wheel hop. I then discovered that BMR was having issues with their outer trailing arm bushings so I ordered a set of Pfadts and replaced the BMR bits. That did not resolve the problem so I decided to replace the BMR inserts with full Pedders bushings. Yea it cost over $500 but I wish I would have sprung for them right away! Now the rear end is solidly planted, no step out OR wheel hop! The cradle bushings are the most important suspension mod you can do so it makes the most sense to save a little more and go for the real deal! I WASTED 2 hours under the car and whatever I spent on those inserts! I would hate to see you learn a hard lesson like I did! I'm only at 424 rwhp so it's not like I'm pushing a lot of power to cause the step out and wheel hop, it's all in those cradle bushings! That's my experience!
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Originally Posted by blazzin1 (Post 7098431)
Kick his @$$ "SeaBass"!!!!!! (I mean Kyle)!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing: :argue: :fighting0056: :character0264:

BMR FTW!!!!

Pete, you gonna take that? :paddle: :fencing: :emoticon8:
Pedders FTW! :nod:

Bo White 10-21-2013 05:49 PM

I'm waiting on mine from Kyle now. When I called him late last week he went over all three offerings with me so I could make an educated decision.

10aSSee D 10-21-2013 06:55 PM

I have all BMR suspension parts on mine and couldn't be happier, I'm over 650rwhp and have no problems at all. BMR FTW!!! :)

ssmike 10-21-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo White (Post 7113338)
I'm waiting on mine from Kyle now. When I called him late last week he went over all three offerings with me so I could make an educated decision.

Full bushings or inserts?

camaro500 10-21-2013 09:05 PM

damn, i know pedders has a great reputation and maybe i should have waited. The issue was i didnt want to spend more than $600 on inserts, trailing arm and toe rods because im saving up for a cam package/conversion and either pedders or pfadt coilovers for spring 2014. I would love to buy the best of everything but cannot afford to. I will let you guys know how my parts perform if I have a chance to take my car for an alignment before winter. Montreal is already experiencing 0 degree weather at night. Thanks everybody for the feedback, much appreciated.

caverman 10-22-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro500 (Post 7114034)
damn, i know pedders has a great reputation and maybe i should have waited. The issue was i didnt want to spend more than $600 on inserts, trailing arm and toe rods because im saving up for a cam package/conversion and either pedders or pfadt coilovers for spring 2014. I would love to buy the best of everything but cannot afford to. I will let you guys know how my parts perform if I have a chance to take my car for an alignment before winter. Montreal is already experiencing 0 degree weather at night. Thanks everybody for the feedback, much appreciated.

Kind of an after the fact but this would've been my shopping list and probably would've been able to be done in your budget.

Pedders Street Z package (cradle inserts and radius rod inserts)
BMR or Spohn Trailing Arms and Toe Rods
Pfadt trailing arm/hub bushings
Alignment set to Pedders or Pfadt aggressive street specs

Toe Rods could've waited if they didn't fit in the budget. They will help but from my experience they didn't help as much as the other stuff. Actually, I would've ditched the Toe Rods and bought a set of Pedders rear eccentrics bolts to get a better alignment. Again, another on of those not so cheap but extremely good parts.


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