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brt3 10-28-2013 06:07 PM

Camaro Z/28 multimatic suspension to be used in upcoming Mercedes AMG SLC
 


FROM ROAD & TRACK

Mercedes-AMG C190 to get high tech suspension … from the Z/28?
Upcoming baby SLS; will share Multimatic dampers with the Z/28.

By David Gluckman October 28, 2013 / Photos by Multimatic

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...Cropped-sm.jpg

What do Red Bull F1 cars, all 77 Aston Martin One-77s, the 2014 Camaro Z/28, and 20 of this year’s 56 Le Mans entries have in common? They all use a relatively new damper design from a company called Multimatic. Now, add AMG’s next solo project to that list.

The Mercedes C190—that’s its internal code name; you can call it SLC or baby SLS—is AMG’s follow-up to the SLS. It's a small sports car aimed at the 911. And, as the list above suggests, it’s going to have a pretty serious suspension. Canadian OEM supplier Multimatic has been putting its Dynamic Suspension Spool Valve (DSSV) dampers on race cars for a while, and it recently hit on a new manufacturing process that brings down the time and expense required to machine the special spool valves. The solution came from a company that laser-cuts medical devices, incidentally.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada..._damper-sm.jpgMultimatic

That means more applications on “affordable” road cars like the Z/28 and the Mercedes-AMG coupe. The spool valve replaces the shims in a conventional damper, providing better consistency damper to damper, more precise control of the force-velocity curve, and repeatability from impact to impact. No worries about the orifice changing shape over time. The other cool part: The use of two spool valves per damper completely decouples the compression and rebound curves, so they can be tuned independently.

While I’ve never even touched a One-77, after a ride in Chevy’s track-aimed Camaro, I can say that this suspension works incredibly well. The key is that a driver can hammer on a car for lap after lap of a track like the Nürburgring with the added confidence that the suspension will react the same way every time, just how the engineers intended. And we can infer that the little AMG that’ll wear these dampers should be as track-focused as the other metal on that list. It’s a good sign, anyway, and a signal that there are probably more DSSV applications to come.

Mikebrinda 10-28-2013 09:39 PM

If anyone can create, or knows where to find a slow motion "How this works" video of the Multimatic units in action that would be awesome.

L99CAMA2011 12-02-2013 08:06 AM

http://www.multimatic.com/corporate/contacts.php

The Stig 12-02-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011 (Post 7229715)

They won't sell to you directly, usually OEM suppliers sign NDR's and non-competes with the manufacturer.

IgnitusCamaro 12-02-2013 12:22 PM

"That means more applications on “affordable” road cars like the Z/28 and the Mercedes-AMG coupe"

Anyone else find that interesting?

ThaCamaroKid 12-02-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IgnitusCamaro (Post 7230188)
"That means more applications on “affordable” road cars like the Z/28 and the Mercedes-AMG coupe"

Anyone else find that interesting?

Interesting how? though the C190 will not be directly in the Z/28's price range it will be relatively close, around the 100k mark. However still more closely comparable to the corvette I think. That is once the Z07 and if the ZR1 returns.

Still pretty cool the technology from a Camaro being used in $100k Mercedes, nothing new there I guess it has happened before. :headbang:

woodside783 12-02-2013 01:59 PM

price just went up

Fenderaddict2 12-02-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid (Post 7230228)
Interesting how? though the C190 will not be directly in the Z/28's price range it will be relatively close, around the 100k mark. However still more closely comparable to the corvette I think. That is once the Z07 and if the ZR1 returns.

Still pretty cool the technology from a Camaro being used in $100k Mercedes, nothing new there I guess it has happened before. :headbang:

You mean technology from Canada used on the Camaro and Mercedes…


Wonder were they developed this?

http://multimaticmotorsports.com/pho...io-sports-car/

LOWDOWN 12-02-2013 04:29 PM

Scott Maxwell cut his door slammer teeth in the Player's/GM Challenge circa '86-forward, driving the forerunner of the 1LE Camaros/Firebirds aka A4Q or R7U.

http://www.cartersclassicmusclecars....g%20series.htm

Another graduate of the Player's/GM Challenge? Mr. Ron Fellows...

Scott also won the 1st race for Ford's current Mustang @ Daytona, Jan/05, as the co-team driver for Multimatic's GS-Class 'Stang, the original and well-massaged FR500C. Multimatic built the FR500Cs for Ford...and Scott was their development driver. His co-driver @ Daytona? Another Player's/GM Challenge graduate, David Empringham.

We were there, for all of it...

EDIT: BTW, Multimatic is a division of the mega-Tier supplier, Magna International.

IgnitusCamaro 12-02-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid (Post 7230228)
Interesting how? though the C190 will not be directly in the Z/28's price range it will be relatively close, around the 100k mark. However still more closely comparable to the corvette I think. That is once the Z07 and if the ZR1 returns.

Still pretty cool the technology from a Camaro being used in $100k Mercedes, nothing new there I guess it has happened before. :headbang:

Exactly my thoughts. I cant wait to see it on the road!

csendlak 12-02-2013 04:51 PM

So I'm sure this has been asked before but my quick 2 second search didn't turn anything up so ....

Can you purchase these and install on an SS Camaro? Or is it not that simple, meaning they have to be tuned specifically and an entire control system integrated into the vehicle?

LOWDOWN 12-02-2013 04:56 PM

They're NOT electronic, like the MRC. To do a proper job, you'd need to replicate the Z/28 suspension SYSTEM, part-by-part. For that, you'll likely need an AMEX Black...

I'm sure the shocks will be GM-available, eventually, but they're only 4 components of a true "system".

OldScoolCamaro 12-02-2013 08:42 PM

...Find new roads....:biggrin:

*007 12-02-2013 10:02 PM

Well, I doubt I'll ever see one on a normal road. I'll be checkin one out once in a great while at a cruise in out of it's niche......(maybe) ...since it's mainly a great track car!

sting808 12-03-2013 06:57 AM

I smell something coming... Had an interesting conversation the other month with a suspension company and it was mentioned something better than the existing top-end coil-over possible out (soon?). I didn't want details since I spent too much $$$$ these past couple months, but I wouldn't be surprised...

Let the rumors start flying... nudge nudge wink wink

I hear ain't gonna be cheap, but it's not that crazy $$$$$, too... relatively speaking.

Maybe others will chime in.

Fenderaddict2 12-03-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 7230766)
They're NOT electronic, like the MRC. To do a proper job, you'd need to replicate the Z/28 suspension SYSTEM, part-by-part. For that, you'll likely need an AMEX Black...

I'm sure the shocks will be GM-available, eventually, but they're only 4 components of a true "system".

Man, I miss the Players series. I used to marshall at Mosport back in those days (when me, and my partner in crime weren't fielding a half-arses attempt in the Honda Michelin Series). Loved those Camaros, and great, close racing. Fun all around.

URBAN LEGEND 12-03-2013 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2 (Post 7230538)
You mean technology from Canada used on the Camaro and Mercedes…


Wonder were they developed this?

http://multimaticmotorsports.com/pho...io-sports-car/

I know right. People make it sound like Mercedes drove the Z/28 and decided to go this route. Mercedes probably had this in the works years ago.

However, I like that AMG and team
Camaro arrived at the same solution indepedently.

ThaCamaroKid 12-05-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2 (Post 7230538)
You mean technology from Canada used on the Camaro and Mercedes…


Wonder were they developed this?

http://multimaticmotorsports.com/pho...io-sports-car/

I did not say that GM designed the technology did I?

My point is that it is cool how technology on what is roughly a $60k car is also used on $100k+ cars.

Just like the ZL1's magnetorheological shocks which WERE created/designed by GM and then Ferrari and many other more expensive car manufacturers began using that technology

Different companies pioneer different technology whether it is Ferrari GM or a small private company in Canada...


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