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GreyLS3SS 11-16-2013 12:42 PM

anyone blown Peddars coilovers?
 
Hi haven't been on in a while and not placing any blame on Pedders but I just put my car up for the winter and noticed some oil by inside R. rear tire. I jacked it up and the shock seal is blown and its leaking fluid out. Less than 3000 miles on em. Just curious and I can't find my receipt. Haven't called em yet just was curious if anyone else has had this issue?

BullF-16 11-16-2013 02:58 PM

Are they supercars with the remote reservoir?

GreyLS3SS 11-16-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16 (Post 7191683)
Are they supercars with the remote reservoir?

No they are the step before those the XA sport rider adjustable. Not sure of model number I have to check when I get home from work. I am gonna pull it off and see which seal is leaking. I don't think they have been like that very long and I have been very happy with the performance of them

130R 11-16-2013 03:42 PM

Nothing's perfect. Haven't seen many people post issues with them...

BullF-16 11-16-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyLS3SS (Post 7191709)
No they are the step before those the XA sport rider adjustable. Not sure of model number I have to check when I get home from work. I am gonna pull it off and see which seal is leaking. I don't think they have been like that very long and I have been very happy with the performance of them

If they were the remote reservoir coilovers it is necessary to loosen the allen bolts that connect the reservoir before change ride heights.

Since yours are not the supercars thats obviously not the problem. I would PM Pete and let him know or contact the dealer you purchased them from. Pedders will make it right i know that.

VR Baron 11-17-2013 12:01 AM

I have heard of rear shocks going, mostly on G8's though.

mp51998 11-17-2013 12:25 AM

As Bull said, just PM Pete and he will take care of you. I had to replace two rears on my wifes car. She drove it to Indy the first year and he had Raymond's Performance do the install. He overnighted the XA's up there for her. I had a bad rear Super Car Coilover on my car replaced this year at Indy. Again at Bruce's place. No hassle. Seems we only find these issues right before a long road trip.
You will have to pay labor for the install (or do yourself) and for the alignment afterwards tho.

My 5th 11-17-2013 12:32 AM

I have a little over 50,000 miles on my Xa's. No visible oil leaks, but the coils are rusty in spots where the red coating flaked off. I wish they looked show-car new, but I've got to expect some wear and tear on a daily driver--especially with 3 years of winter road salt.

BTW, how long are these shocks expected to give good performance? Do the seals or pistons eventually wear out and the damping performance is reduced?

GreyLS3SS 11-17-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by My 5th (Post 7192900)
I have a little over 50,000 miles on my Xa's. No visible oil leaks, but the coils are rusty in spots where the red coating flaked off. I wish they looked show-car new, but I've got to expect some wear and tear on a daily driver--especially with 3 years of winter road salt.

BTW, how long are these shocks expected to give good performance? Do the seals or pistons eventually wear out and the damping performance is reduced?


Not sure on long they last, I would think at least 60-80 K under normal diving. Performance driving 50K may be time to change the fluid because heat does break it down. If I had the seal kit I could do it my self. I have done many motorcycles both street and road bikes. just need to know the specs and oil weight. I am not worried about the service have had great luck any time I asked question of Pete or pedders. They are quality and I know sometimes the seals do go. When I take em out I'll mic the shaft and check it against the other side. Just another winter project. Mine is not a daily driver just a fun car and yes the crap they put on our roads in winter does eat the crap of anything metal.

VR Baron 11-17-2013 09:58 AM

My shop said they havent heard of any supercar failures, yet anyway. Should get 50000 with track use as a estimate I'm told. I they are like Konis you can adjust stiffer to compensate for wear, as long as they arent leaking course.

2012InfernoSS 11-17-2013 10:23 AM

I have the xa extreams, blew both rears out in about 3000 miles, got ahold of Pete and he took car of me

oachalon 11-17-2013 01:28 PM

Ive seen quite a few posts like this from both Pedders and Pfadt. I dont have any plans to put coilovers on my car at this time, but this is concerning. The amount of people running stock struts is very high and you dont hear many failures, but the amount of people running coilovers is very low and you hear about this more than you would think.

TLSTWIN 11-17-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oachalon (Post 7193779)
Ive seen quite a few posts like this from both Pedders and Pfadt. I dont have any plans to put coilovers on my car at this time, but this is concerning. The amount of people running stock struts is very high and you dont hear many failures, but the amount of people running coilovers is very low and you hear about this more than you would think.

Well, lets think about that with some logic though also.....

People that run stock suspension also are not doing a lot of aggressive auto crossing or road courses. So they won't have any issues

People that do push the cars hard have had to update the suspension to coil overs. Once you start pushing and driving hard, things break, hence the saying, you have to pay to play:w00t:

Also, sometimes things break because the ride height is set too low, or improper preload on the springs or both.

Deftones 11-17-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN (Post 7194866)

Also, sometimes things break because the ride height is set too low, or improper preload on the springs or both.

X2

So Cal Camaro 11-17-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN (Post 7194866)
Well, lets think about that with some logic though also.....

People that run stock suspension also are not doing a lot of aggressive auto crossing or road courses. So they won't have any issues

People that do push the cars hard have had to update the suspensions to coil overs. Once you start pushing and driving hard, things break, hence the saying, you have to pay to play:w00t:

Also, sometimes things break because the ride height is set too low, or improper preload on the springs or both.

:word: Great reply...:smoking:

GreyLS3SS 11-18-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN (Post 7194866)
Well, lets think about that with some logic though also.....

People that run stock suspension also are not doing a lot of aggressive auto crossing or road courses. So they won't have any issues

People that do push the cars hard have had to update the suspension to coil overs. Once you start pushing and driving hard, things break, hence the saying, you have to pay to play:w00t:

Also, sometimes things break because the ride height is set too low, or improper preload on the springs or both.

preload and ride height set to Pedders specs. I would say probably spirited driving and road surface probably had something to do with it. Also no ones Quality control is perfect so the combination probably did mine in. I wish Pedders would list rebuild kits on their website because I would order it and do it my self. instead of shipping and waiting.

oachalon 11-18-2013 11:27 AM

I agree with all the statements after mine.

I understand no ones quality is perfect, I deal with that on a daily basis.

What I have observed which I could be wrong is:

The coilovers that fail seem to be at low miles
Quite a few posts it seems not many had ever been to a track

The cost of a strut/shock is quite cheap, so I don't expect it to be able to handle aggressive autocrossing or track use.

The cost of these coilovers are quite expensive, and their main purpose and reason they were created was to be used for aggressive autocrossing, and track racing. These parts which were made for these specific situations and environments and have a big cost adder seem to be failing quite a bit.

To me I look at it this way:

You have stock components. These components cost X, and are only made to work in a specific environment (street). For the most part they don't fail in this environment and the costs reflect this.

Now you have coilovers. These components Cost Y, which sometimes is 5-10times more in price that struts/shocks. They are made to work in a more extreme environment, which is reflective in their costs. But in relative terms they seem to fail more in its respective environment.

VR Baron 11-18-2013 01:46 PM

Alot of folks report 50-100000 miles no problems street /track, and thats with XA's as well as BC coilovers. Alot of those with G8's say the same and they have more time and miles in to.But you can have a bad set, it happens. I had konis blow in the rear over a big dip on the freeway at speed, but car was lowered and bump stop was cut down(per experts advise :doh::mad2:) AFter that and replacing stops, no problems.
Alos I hear running the settings to high all the time will wear them sooner, but not blow them I dont think.

As to quality, other then Pfadt, all are made in Asia somewhere. In my industry and others, quality can be up or down and not consistant

oachalon 11-18-2013 02:39 PM

I agree there are a lot of people that have not had any problems at all.

I was just being curious and wondering what the failure rates are, and how it compares to standard oem struts/shocks.

I am not trying to talk bad about any vendors. I think Pfadt, Pedders, and BMR are all very good companies who make quality products.

seddon 11-18-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyLS3SS (Post 7191420)
Hi haven't been on in a while and not placing any blame on Pedders but I just put my car up for the winter and noticed some oil by inside R. rear tire. I jacked it up and the shock seal is blown and its leaking fluid out. Less than 3000 miles on em. Just curious and I can't find my receipt. Haven't called em yet just was curious if anyone else has had this issue?

Had the same problem with my Xa's first the driver side rear and the following summer the passenger side rear. No big problem pm pete and he will fix u up. Things break thats all, Pedders will stand by there product.

TLSTWIN 11-18-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyLS3SS (Post 7195766)
preload and ride height set to Pedders specs. I would say probably spirited driving and road surface probably had something to do with it. Also no ones Quality control is perfect so the combination probably did mine in. I wish Pedders would list rebuild kits on their website because I would order it and do it my self. instead of shipping and waiting.

Contact pete, they would most likely ship replacements to you door. age of them would probably dictate if they charge or not, or if you bought them or if they are 2nd hand ownership.

GreyLS3SS 12-12-2013 02:38 PM

Not having any Luck with Pedders have not returned calls or email support are they on winter break? I contacted Pedders by email on Nov. 20 still no response sent Pete an Email no response contacted by phone no one answers left message not returned as of today anyone know what is going on there? Thanks

rockrau 12-12-2013 03:24 PM

I had to replace each of my rear XAs,Pete warranted them each time.Do not sweat it Pedders stands behind their products.Be patient & persistent.:nod:

VR Baron 12-12-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyLS3SS (Post 7256844)
Not having any Luck with Pedders have not returned calls or email support are they on winter break? I contacted Pedders by email on Nov. 20 still no response sent Pete an Email no response contacted by phone no one answers left message not returned as of today anyone know what is going on there? Thanks

Something is

L99CAMA2011 12-12-2013 09:45 PM

I strongly believe that improper installation of the rear shock is the culprit. Make sure that lower point that meets the lower control arm is timed or else it will put a side load on the shock and kill it over time. I don't tighten my lower bolt until the car is rested on the ground. Even Eibach mentions this.


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