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VR Baron 11-18-2013 10:14 PM

Pedders Supercars and ZL1 Spec Sways installed
 
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Last Thursday Haddad Motorsports installed some goodies:

Pedders Supercar coilovers
Pedders ZL1 Spec 27/32mm sway bars
Whiteline Craddle incerts and upper rear control arm bushings
Auto X alignment

Had to sell my Pfadt ZL1 spec sways as they dont clear the canisters on the rear coilovers.Anyone wanting supercars note only Pedders bars will clear, or the factory bars.
One pic shows where the Pfadt bar hits the cannister, the next pic with the Pedders bar and how the cannister clears it.

Having fun with the coilovers and finding the right settings. Definately keeps you busy and out of trouble!

A few pics

BullF-16 11-19-2013 01:25 PM

Excellent, looks familiar! You gonna eventually do the adjustable camber plates?

Im loving mine. I finally have a set of front tires that have lasted longer than 5000 miles. 5 minutes 8 bolts and im at -2.8 camber....tear up the track......5 min 8 bolts and im back to a tire friendly -0.8 camber:thumbsup:

Running 12kg coils on all corners also. My kidneys hate me! But i love it!!!!!

VR Baron 11-19-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16 (Post 7199337)
Excellent, looks familiar! You gonna eventually do the adjustable camber plates?

Im loving mine. I finally have a set of front tires that have lasted longer than 5000 miles. 5 minutes 8 bolts and im at -2.8 camber....tear up the track......5 min 8 bolts and im back to a tire friendly -0.8 camber:thumbsup:

Running 12kg coils on all corners also. My kidneys hate me! But i love it!!!!!

No, no camber plates. Running the stock coils, no bad kidneys for me..lol
Running -1.2 front and .7 back so dont kill the insides of the tires to much but good for auto x. trying to dial in the street ride of course, always fun!

VR Baron 11-19-2013 10:12 PM

I eddited the first post with more pics and read/ see how the Pfadt bar doesnt clear the cannister at the back of the rear shock.

VR Baron 11-23-2013 12:47 PM

Past week playing with the settings for best ride on our patched up and bombed out roads.2.5 pages of settings and notes...lol After reading what I found as to what people have tried and Pedders settings and the number of clicks difference rebound and bound thoughts.
So far best street setting for me and my setup is what the instructions say, bound rebound same numbers and 2 clicks softer then the factory settings, will try 2 clicks softer still but need freeway test first as high speed and low speed settings can be different. For reducing understeer though best to have rears 2-3 clicks more firm

VR Baron 11-23-2013 07:03 PM

New ride height
 
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A few pics of new height. The front we raised a bit,the back came down to even the overall ride height. The rear was up a 1/4" with the Hotchkis springs. overall drop with the Hotchkis was 1" front and 3/4" rear.
Over time the coilovers are supposed to settle 1/4" or so. So far in 350 miles nothing has changed yet.
New height all around now is 25.875" in front,from lower wheel lip as meassured like Pedders does, and 25.8125" in the rear. Thats right where Pedders likes the max drop from stock.If they settle as said I will raise them up to these numbers.

As to rebound,bound numbers for the street I have them at 12/12 all around. Am trying front 12/12 and rear 10/10 now and seems better in the back as to ride. Will see as I get used to them and where the settings end up.

Am loving the ride, handling and smooth control the coilovers have over stock and the drop springs. They are solid, yet controlled and comfortable all at the same time

ssmike 11-23-2013 07:12 PM

Perfect ride height! Looks great!

VR Baron 11-23-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ssmike (Post 7211020)
Perfect ride height! Looks great!

Thanks! Love these c/o's!

VR Baron 11-28-2013 03:08 PM

Almost 600 miles and no settling of the setup, like that. Been doing alot of around town setting changes. All low speed 20-50 mph around town and bumpy road settings as thats my ride all week. I have done 2.5 pages of setting trys :crazy: and recorded what the results were. At this point front are at 9/9 and rear at 6/6 with all in my sig, tires at 34 cold and 37-38 hot.Ride is comfortable, soft over bumps, but controlled and solid, not like drop springs!
Car handles good, not as well as firmer settings but ride around town is to harsh over the bumps and ripples, it still has low speed "jiggles" but this setting combo works best so far. Big tires, maybe the craddle and rear arm bushings and 450-500 lb springs I'm sure accounts for the rest.
On the freeway dips and irregularities are soaked up and controlled, especially the sudden drops in pavement sections where you bounce back up after hitting them, to stiff and the shocks over control and the movement is to fast and "voilent" or quick to react.All inwhat you like though which is neat about these coilovers.

BigBlock69RS 11-28-2013 03:31 PM

Good to hear you are getting them dialed in. Must be fun to have the adjustability and tunability of the coil-overs.

VR Baron 11-28-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBlock69RS (Post 7222585)
Good to hear you are getting them dialed in. Must be fun to have the adjustability and tunability of the coil-overs.

More a pain in the butt! No it is interesting and fun, but you really get down to just 1-2 settings you like for daily drive after all the combos you try. The auto x is a different set of combos and settings are different for sure, and the freeway likes a different setting, firmer, but then not good for the street unless roads are glass smooth or close.

caverman 11-29-2013 10:45 PM

Very nice!

I have a similar setup except I couldn't swing for the super coils. I had to stay with the single adjustable.

Keep us updated after your next Auto-X event. My car did really well for being on stock wheels and tires when I Auto-X a couple weeks back.

VR Baron 11-29-2013 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by caverman (Post 7225230)
Very nice!

I have a similar setup except I couldn't swing for the super coils. I had to stay with the single adjustable.

Keep us updated after your next Auto-X event. My car did really well for being on stock wheels and tires when I Auto-X a couple weeks back.

Thanks ! Been following your mods also. Yeah I really had to "grin and bear it" on the price even though I got a deal I couldnt turn down. Single adjustables work great at auto x, have several freinds who kick but with them, mine included...lol
Will take some events to get the hang of it, one of our top guys has done 12 plus major events and still playing with the settings. Next ones are next year, will let you know how they went

VR Baron 12-05-2013 11:31 PM

O.k., more trade secrets. For the street with my setup 9/6 is still best, followed by 10/7 and 12/6. Softer settings likt 6/3, 8/5 etc. Actually seemed more harsh or firm over bad roads.The wrong combo of bound rebound, even 1 click of can make the car more firm in back. Alot of work, and these coilovers wont ever be as compliant on bad roads as stock shocks, but are solid, more firm and controlled over most road conditions and great at speed like freeways. Keep the stock tire sizes and bushings and sways and that may help the ride some, just opinoin on that though but firm up everything and I would think you will notice the road more. Overall I like them, and more so then drop springs

Edit: 12/10/13, Running 10/10 front rear and is good, better then the above but close. Note as car is balanced f/r pretty close it seems to like same front/rear settings bound and rebound, though the above ones work, similar to XA settings people have posted up, not sure why though.All same f/r settings seem more balanced, just firmer or softer, softer gets rid of alot of the rear bounce or firmness, but not all.

durbojones 12-07-2013 09:27 AM

Nice, I love mine. I run mine rather soft for the street. 6/6 up front and 3/3 in the back for the street. Depending on the course I will go from roughly 10/14 up to 16/16 in the front and 14/18 up to 20/24 in the rear for the autocross days. I have quite a few notes from each event that I have run on different combinations. I am running -1.5* and -1* for camber.

VR Baron 12-07-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by durbojones (Post 7243577)
Nice, I love mine. I run mine rather soft for the street. 6/6 up front and 3/3 in the back for the street. Depending on the course I will go from roughly 10/14 up to 16/16 in the front and 14/18 up to 20/24 in the rear for the autocross days. I have quite a few notes from each event that I have run on different combinations. I am running -1.5* and -1* for camber.

Cool, may try the 6/6 3/3 again, just seemed to loose and not as controlled over bumps. My cambor is -1.2 and -.7.
So your running more bound then rebound it appears for the track?
trying that some now for the street so isnt so firm, seems opposite of all I have researched though.

durbojones 12-08-2013 10:52 AM

http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/shocktune.html
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/th...hocktune1.html
http://www.sardesonracing.com/shock_tuning.htm
http://www.bimmerhaus.com/tech/shocktuningTN.html


I read these articles to help with how I like the car to feel. When it comes to setting the car up it is all on personal preference. Most of the courses I have ran were mostly smooth with only a couple major bumps in the course which allows me to keep the rebound at a higher rate. Again, it is all subjective to how you like the car to feel. For the street the settings I use don't give me the most control but it keeps the ride soft, especially for passengers. I don't mind keeping the shocks turned up most people that ride with me don't like it.

VR Baron 12-08-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by durbojones (Post 7245896)
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/shocktune.html
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/th...hocktune1.html
http://www.sardesonracing.com/shock_tuning.htm
http://www.bimmerhaus.com/tech/shocktuningTN.html


I read these articles to help with how I like the car to feel. When it comes to setting the car up it is all on personal preference. Most of the courses I have ran were mostly smooth with only a couple major bumps in the course which allows me to keep the rebound at a higher rate. Again, it is all subjective to how you like the car to feel. For the street the settings I use don't give me the most control but it keeps the
ride soft, especially for passengers. I don't mind keeping the shocks
turned up most people that ride with me don't like it.

Thanks. I saw some of those. Yeah courses we do are smooth also, fontana is but rough and chews tires a bit but no bumps.I do like the control of the 8 to 12 range on the street, though at say 9/12 ratio back is always more firm and bouncy, but of course the car turns faster and is more fun at low speeds.front/back the same ride is balanced as the
car is 52/48 balance itself.Right now for our bumpy rippled roads a balanced f/r works best for me and have it at 8/5 front and rear, keeping bound the same always f/r and tailoring rebound at about 1/3 stiffer then the bound

durbojones 12-08-2013 09:50 PM

Off topic, VR, How much lighter are your wheels over stock and how have they held up?

VR Baron 12-08-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by durbojones (Post 7247610)
Off topic, VR, How much lighter are your wheels over stock and how have they held up?

about 6-7 lbs lighter each, and thats 9's and 10's vs 8's and 9's. Was vary noticable on a bad section of freeway and improved the ride. Havent been able to tell in auto x, been changing to many things..lol
So far holding up fine, a few mars in the clearcoat from cones and mounting the new tires at the extreme edge of the rim where it meets the tire but thats it.

Ventmaster 12-09-2013 12:32 PM

OK- I'm a spec nerd, but the stock 20X8 fronts go 32lbs, TSW lists the Nurburg's 20X9 at 23.3lbs= 8.7lbs or a 27% weight reduction.

Stock back 20X9's are 36lbs, down to 24.45 for a 20X10 TSW= 11.55lbs or 32% less.

IOW- they not only look good, they make a difference! :nod:

VR Baron 12-09-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 7248771)
OK- I'm a spec nerd, but the stock 20X8 fronts go 32lbs, TSW lists the Nurburg's 20X9 at 23.3lbs= 8.7lbs or a 27% weight reduction.

Stock back 20X9's are 36lbs, down to 24.45 for a 20X10 TSW= 11.55lbs or 32% less.

IOW- they not only look good, they make a difference! :nod:

Cool, Better then I read somewhere. Or just forgot the numbers...lol

caverman 12-09-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 7248771)
OK- I'm a spec nerd, but the stock 20X8 fronts go 32lbs, TSW lists the Nurburg's 20X9 at 23.3lbs= 8.7lbs or a 27% weight reduction.

Stock back 20X9's are 36lbs, down to 24.45 for a 20X10 TSW= 11.55lbs or 32% less.

IOW- they not only look good, they make a difference! :nod:

Personally I like the looks of the OEM wheels. So much that I just can't bring myself to drop $1k+ on a set of wheels. They are extremely heavy pigs though. Every time I have to lift one up to put on the car I'm reminded of that.

Eventually I may have to break down and buy some wheels but I always seem to find something else to spend that money on.

VR Baron 12-09-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by caverman (Post 7248828)
Personally I like the looks of the OEM wheels. So much that I just can't bring myself to drop $1k+ on a set of wheels. They are extremely heavy pigs though. Every time I have to lift one up to put on the car I'm reminded of that.

Eventually I may have to break down and buy some wheels but I always seem to find something else to spend that money on.

They are nice but to heavy.I noticed a difference in ride on bad freeway sections and bad roads. These sizes are a dual mode. Stock size tires fit as do the larger ones I have now and like the look, a win, win!

VR Baron 12-10-2013 03:34 PM

I edited post 14 with more findings.Going to write a book..lol


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