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Mythic 03-24-2008 04:49 PM

Air Ride?
 
Anyone thinking about an air ride system?

maybe lower the car but still able to clear those damn speedbumps.

NOODLESgoneWILD 03-24-2008 05:37 PM

Without a doubt...I'd love to have something like that. It would be great to go to cruze night...roll in low and slow, and drop it on the ground...then when you ready to hit the road and lay a patch of rubber, you could bump up the ride height to do it.

blindingillusion 03-24-2008 06:39 PM

heavy....

Kyle2k 03-24-2008 08:58 PM

Hopefully this bose suspension they are eventually coming out in the future will have a feature to adjust ride height.

TFord 03-25-2008 10:17 AM

Not to Familiar with air ride. had a buddy with a chevy truck that had air ride on it. whats the pros and cons?

camarocrazy28 03-26-2008 07:36 PM

Adjustable ride height, superb handling because of incredible tunability, and a comfortable ride. Those are the pros. Cons would be cost and availabilty. Nothing for 5th gen Camaros yet. I want air ride for my 3rd gen.

Sinister 03-27-2008 06:43 PM

I'll be putting an air ride system in my car over the next winter...but I do agree with the pros & cons that camarocrazy28 posted.
check out this site--->http://www.ridetech.com

Mr. Wyndham 03-27-2008 10:11 PM

Could someone be a pal, and just sum up really quick what an "Air ride" is for me?
It's a type of suspension system...I got that much - but what is it? Briefly, how does it work?

:thanks:

Mythic 03-28-2008 08:32 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_suspension

The installation and configuration of these systems varies for different makes and models but the underlying principle remains the same. The metal spring (coil or leaf) is removed, and an air bag, also referred to as an air spring, is inserted or fabricated to fit in the place of the factory spring. When air pressure is supplied to the air bag, the suspension can be adjusted either up or down (lifted or lowered).

For vehicles with leaf spring suspension such as pickup trucks, the leaf spring is sometimes eliminated and replaced with a multiple-bar linkage. These bars are typically in a trailing arm configuration and the air spring may be situated vertically between a link bar or the axle housing and a point on the vehicle's frame. In other cases, the air bag is situated on the opposite side of the axle from the main link bars on an additional cantilever member. If the main linkage bars are oriented parallel to the longitudinal (driving) axis of the car unbolt the motor mounts and the bags will hold it up and make it bounce, the axle housing may be constrained laterally with either a panhard bar or watts linkageor you could take a shaft out of a old 72 Ford and it is uncanstrable from the bags. In some cases, two of the link bars may be combined into a triangular shape which effectively constrains the vehicles axle laterally.

Often, owners may desire to lower their vehicle to such an extent that they must cut away portions of their frame for more clearance. A reinforcement member commonly referred to as a C-notch is then bolted or welded to the vehicle frame in order to maintain structural integrity. Specifically on pickup trucks, this process is termed "notching" due to the fact that a portion (notch) of the cargo bed may also be removed, along with the wheel wells, to provide maximum axle clearance. For some, it is desirable to have the vehicle so low that the frame rests on the ground when the air bags are fully deflated.

fastball 03-29-2008 02:20 PM

Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.

Mr. Wyndham 03-29-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastball (Post 57385)
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.

:D

I think of sleeping on a cloud.......;)

Mythic 03-29-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastball (Post 57385)
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.

http://www.ridetech.com/product_page...e_prodshot.jpghttp://www.ridetech.com/product_page...rolarmscar.jpg
It certainly isnt cheap a set for the 67-69 Camaros is nearly $7k
Quote:

Vehicles that use air suspension today include models from Maybach, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Land Rover/Range Rover, SsangYong, Audi, Subaru, Volkswagen, and Lincoln, among others.
http://www.hotrod.com/howto/hrdp_070...mpressors.html
Especially read the bit about the Red 67 Chevelle vs the Blue 66

reedikyaluss 01-18-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastball (Post 57385)
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.

You're talking about hydraulics.

Cmlloveless 02-02-2010 12:05 PM

So any idea if any company has a Camaro specific kit in the works?

Cmlloveless 02-02-2010 12:06 PM

watching

ajjones44 02-02-2010 12:09 PM

I have been waiting for this also. I checked their site and in a thread one of the Ridetech guys mentioned they are releasing a kit sometime this month or next month.

leandrebean 02-27-2010 03:48 AM

Check out this Link
http://www.jadecrew.com/2010-camaro-...by-air-runner/


I also know any good Mechanic can set up a system using strut style airbags

JadeWBJ 03-04-2010 07:02 PM

I am the guy who wrote the article on the air runner suspension for the New Camaro. I am set to install a set in my 03 Infiniti M45 in the next month.

I have been falling in love with the new Camaro since it came out, I think Chevy hit it out of the park with that car.

A lot of people confuse Air Suspensions with Hydrolics. Hydos weld a fixed cylinder in place of the shock/strut resulting in a horrible ride.

The Air Runners actually take a set of KYB performance struts and place a "bag" where the spring would go. The new technology is so good that the Mercedes Benz CL63 AMG is running the same style setup.

They allow you maximum tunability with push button control. I love coilovers but they are a pain in the ass to adjust.

Check the site for a full review of the Air Runners once they go in.

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“A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.”
Jeremy Clarkson

http://www.jadecrew.com

SikMaro 03-27-2010 04:34 AM

will be getting an air ride performance suspension tester. will post pics when done

youngoliver 03-27-2010 11:26 AM

Bags on a camaro:thumbdown:
Bags are for lowered trucks not for cars and camaros especially:facepalm: IMO.

Please dont be hitting switches on your camaro..
1. no matter what system you get you WILL have problems with it (leaks etc.) it's gona cost you way more than what it's worth.
2. It's a HUGE ticket of cought by a cop hitn switches, modified suspension and considered a moving violatoion. After all that you got to go get it removed for the fix it ticket he gave you as well.
3. Camaro's aren't ment to be ghetofied.

my 2 cents

2010SLVRBULIT 03-27-2010 11:35 AM

..a 5th riding on 3 wheels?:facepalm:
..like the 'slammed' look, though:cool:

XclusivEric 04-10-2011 09:07 AM

Ok air suspension is not ghetto, maybe on hoopty cars ie... 80's Monte Carlos, Impala's, etc.. etc. Air suspension is used in many variety of vehicles despite the ignorant assumption that they are used on "ghetto" vehicles. Actually semi trucks and tractor trailers use air suspension, Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz are just another few. They aren't hydraulics... which offer no ride quality. Pro's? Anyone who isn't ignorant about air suspension and did research know what they are. Con's? Well I'd have to add to that list. To include cost and availability. You also have possibilities of your bags leaking, getting pin holes in them. Not too mention for all you racers out there, the added amount of wieght especially for the air tank and compressor. Also there is a wait time when you start up your vehicle for air pressure to build up in your tank to fill your bags. So if you want to ride around town comfortably just on a cruise and have the money to spend then sure.... get air suspension. But if you want to take your vehicle to the track and use it for what it was made to be then... go with coilovers. You know what would be sweet?? If they made coilovers that were electronically height adjustable. That would eliminate airbags all together. There would be absolutely no use for them. You'd have all the pro's that airbags give you with none of their con's! Maybe the engineers reading this thread should get on top of that. You'd almost have a monopoly on the suspension market.

Brian@AirLift 04-12-2011 10:19 AM

Your opinion on Air Suspension is not uncommon, but, unfortunately, outdated. Air Lift in particular has gone out and proven the performance capability of this type of suspension when properly engineered and tuned. Weight gain is minimal, usually around 25# (check the weight of those big wheels or stereo systems..). Leaks are almost non-existent with proper installation and "pinholes" in the bags are not something I have ever seen after working on these systems for 10 years.

Please read the links below starting with the first where our very first prototype build competed in the Silver State Challenge at an average speed of 150mph!! Not to mention driving from Michigan to Nevada and back again to compete.

And this week we will be at Camaro5fest giving track rides to people in a 600hp supercharged car with our Performance Air Suspension.

Not trying to dig on you, just trying to educate as many people as possible on the real benefits and flexibility that air suspension can have when properly done.


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=64867&page=6


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22



http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123108




Quote:

Originally Posted by XclusivEric (Post 3077285)
Ok air suspension is not ghetto, maybe on hoopty cars ie... 80's Monte Carlos, Impala's, etc.. etc. Air suspension is used in many variety of vehicles despite the ignorant assumption that they are used on "ghetto" vehicles. Actually semi trucks and tractor trailers use air suspension, Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz are just another few. They aren't hydraulics... which offer no ride quality. Pro's? Anyone who isn't ignorant about air suspension and did research know what they are. Con's? Well I'd have to add to that list. To include cost and availability. You also have possibilities of your bags leaking, getting pin holes in them. Not too mention for all you racers out there, the added amount of wieght especially for the air tank and compressor. Also there is a wait time when you start up your vehicle for air pressure to build up in your tank to fill your bags. So if you want to ride around town comfortably just on a cruise and have the money to spend then sure.... get air suspension. But if you want to take your vehicle to the track and use it for what it was made to be then... go with coilovers. You know what would be sweet?? If they made coilovers that were electronically height adjustable. That would eliminate airbags all together. There would be absolutely no use for them. You'd have all the pro's that airbags give you with none of their con's! Maybe the engineers reading this thread should get on top of that. You'd almost have a monopoly on the suspension market.



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