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Blu Ray 02-20-2014 11:03 AM

PORTED THROTTLEBODY QUESTION
 
Shopping around,

JDP offers a "New" and "Used" PTB there the only site out there with this option. The "NEW" PTB also comes with a $$$ premimum charge.

My question is when I order from other Vendors that do not offer "NEW vs USED" are they really NEW PTB or Refurbished Cores other customers returned.

Is there a benefit of having a New vs Used

Squillo 02-20-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu Ray (Post 7436226)
Shopping around,

Refurbished Cores other customers returned.

Is there a benefit of having a New vs Used

Most likely this. No benefit, all they do is machine the hole bigger on the returned cores.

Spartan01 02-20-2014 11:11 AM

Generally they are going to be refurbished cores.
VMAX uses CNC to machine out their TB's, which yields incredibly consistent results.

Blu Ray 02-20-2014 11:17 AM

Sorry for being a DUNCE but Maybe Im missing something, So who is actually refurbishing the Core units JDP or VMAX.

Exzample: I order a NEW unit JDP ships becuase there a VMAX Vendor

I order a Used unit its a core sent back to JDP

Who actually refurbishes the cores JDP or VMAX?

DieselAries1 02-20-2014 11:19 AM

What kind of performance gain do you get from these? Maybe 5hp? Quicker throttle response?

Blu Ray 02-20-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAries1 (Post 7436255)
What kind of performance gain do you get from these? Maybe 5hp? Quicker throttle response?

VMAX Motorsports CNC ported throttle bodies offer increased throttle response as well as HP/TQ gains through out the power band. We've seen 4-6 RWHP and Peak #'s up to 12 with this simple and inexpensive mod; for the money they can't be beat! These TB's don't require any tuning and the install is 15-20 minutes taking your time.

1LE801 02-20-2014 11:26 AM

I have one. Throttle response is obviously improved. Cheapest 6-10 rwhp you'll buy. Must have! Got mine from JDP. New unit.

gajagfan 02-20-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LE801 (Post 7436275)
I have one. Throttle response is obviously improved. Cheapest 6-10 rwhp you'll buy. Must have! Got mine from JDP. New unit.

Out of curiosity, how much are these units?

Spartan01 02-20-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gajagfan (Post 7436315)
Out of curiosity, how much are these units?

Typically around $150, but usually there is also a $150 core charge that is refunded once you return your stock TB.

I know people on this thread are claiming 4-6 and up to 12 RWHP.
to them I say SHOW ME THE DYNO SHEET, otherwise you are being a silly person and speaking nonsense.
The ported TB will greatly improve throttle response, but I have yet to see any RWHP gain from this mod alone

Blu Ray 02-20-2014 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gajagfan (Post 7436315)
Out of curiosity, how much are these units?

New is $275
Used is $150

PalmerGA 02-20-2014 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1LE801 (Post 7436275)
I have one. Throttle response is obviously improved. Cheapest 6-10 rwhp you'll buy. Must have!

Absolutely! VMax claims 12-16 RWHP gain without a tune - more with. Got mine through Apex Motorsports. Core charge deposit posted to my account 5 days after I sent the stock TB back. Super service. Super product. Well worth the $150.

gajagfan 02-20-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan01 (Post 7436326)
Typically around $150, but usually there is also a $150 core charge that is refunded once you return your stock TB.

I know people on this thread are claiming 4-6 and up to 12 RWHP.
to them I say SHOW ME THE DYNO SHEET, otherwise you are being a silly person and speaking nonsense.
The ported TB will greatly improve throttle response, but I have yet to see any RWHP gain from this mod alone

That is kind of where I was going after the "must have" comments. I know I am old school (because I am old), but I never saw anything that was externally bolted on to an engine that gave a worthwhile HP increase except nitrous, superchargers and turbos. Thanks for the feedback.

angie7 02-20-2014 11:50 AM

I just installed a VMAX over the weekend from Tampa Tuning. Its $150 + $200 core charge, $200 is returned when you send your TB to them so it actually only costs you $150 bucks. The one I bought looked new, no issues at all. I painted it and installed the next day in just a few mins. Noticeable throttle response and definately a good mod.

jravenfan 02-20-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan01 (Post 7436326)
Typically around $150, but usually there is also a $150 core charge that is refunded once you return your stock TB.

I know people on this thread are claiming 4-6 and up to 12 RWHP.
to them I say SHOW ME THE DYNO SHEET, otherwise you are being a silly person and speaking nonsense.
The ported TB will greatly improve throttle response, but I have yet to see any RWHP gain from this mod alone

http://youtu.be/G-pUj4DdcbA

Found this.

JDP Tyler 02-20-2014 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu Ray (Post 7436226)
Shopping around,

JDP offers a "New" and "Used" PTB there the only site out there with this option. The "NEW" PTB also comes with a $$$ premimum charge.

My question is when I order from other Vendors that do not offer "NEW vs USED" are they really NEW PTB or Refurbished Cores other customers returned.

Is there a benefit of having a New vs Used

99% of the time vendors will give you a "used" core. There is really no benefit of the new core other than being able to say so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu Ray (Post 7436250)
Sorry for being a DUNCE but Maybe Im missing something, So who is actually refurbishing the Core units JDP or VMAX.

Exzample: I order a NEW unit JDP ships becuase there a VMAX Vendor

I order a Used unit its a core sent back to JDP

Who actually refurbishes the cores JDP or VMAX?

VMAX does all the porting etc.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselAries1 (Post 7436255)
What kind of performance gain do you get from these? Maybe 5hp? Quicker throttle response?

The VMAX throttle body will make a big difference in throttle response as well as a 5-8hp and tq gain throughout the RPM range. Many people also say it gets rid of the "dead spot". It's not huge, but definitely noticeable and a good bang for the buck IMO.

Let me know if I can answer anymore questions.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

PalmerGA 02-20-2014 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartan01 (Post 7436326)
Typically around $150, but usually there is also a $150 core charge that is refunded once you return your stock TB.

I know people on this thread are claiming 4-6 and up to 12 RWHP.
to them I say SHOW ME THE DYNO SHEET, otherwise you are being a silly person and speaking nonsense.
The ported TB will greatly improve throttle response, but I have yet to see any RWHP gain from this mod alone

Refurbished TB is $150 + refundable $200 core charge through most vendors on this site - I know it is through Apex.

VMax claims 12-16 RWHP gains possible without a tune. More with. Their claim - not mine. My car's not been dyno'd.

mbowen89 02-20-2014 11:54 AM

Ignoring supposed HP increases, is this for sure going to better throttle response? Or is it just a "placebo effect"?

The VMAX description tries to really sell it to you hard with the "physics" of it all. Seems a little sketchy to me though. I feel like an empty hole is an empty hole, and changing it so you can only tell a difference under a microscope for this application is pointless. If they actually increase the diameter of the hole then that's another story. The description says that the blade is same size, so the hole has to be same size to then right?

This just all seems sketchy to me... someone please inform me of my ignorance! :)

PalmerGA 02-20-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JDP Tyler (Post 7436369)
Many people also say it gets rid of the "dead spot".

It certainly did in my 2012 1LT. No doubt about it. Never notice a "dead spot" in my '13 1SS, but the throttle response is improved.

Spartan01 02-20-2014 11:57 AM

Throttle response will be increased.
Not just on a computer somewhere, you will see a noticeable gain.

PalmerGA 02-20-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mbowen89 (Post 7436374)
...someone please inform me of my ignorance! :)

Okay. You're ignorant! :laugh:

Just kidding, man. The PTB made a significant difference in throttle response in my '12 1LT. That's all I can say.

Blu Ray 02-20-2014 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDP Tyler (Post 7436369)
99% of the time vendors will give you a "used" core. There is really no benefit of the new core other than being able to say so.


VMAX does all the porting etc.

The VMAX throttle body will make a big difference in throttle response as well as a 5-8hp and tq gain throughout the RPM range. Many people also say it gets rid of the "dead spot". It's not huge, but definitely noticeable and a good bang for the buck IMO.

Let me know if I can answer anymore questions.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

Thanks Tyler....Grabbing Credit Card

Angrybird 12 02-20-2014 12:03 PM

I've had mine for about a year now. I noticed right from the exchange better throttle response. This week I added a CAI and that really woke it up. Be sure on the V6 to disconnect the battery for a minimum of 30 minutes. It will speed up the computer learning process.

mbowen89 02-20-2014 12:05 PM

Somebody said you can do this under hood? The battery positive rail just has one large cable running up to engine bay, and I can disconnect there?

1LE801 02-20-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbowen89 (Post 7436374)
Ignoring supposed HP increases, is this for sure going to better throttle response? Or is it just a "placebo effect"?

The VMAX description tries to really sell it to you hard with the "physics" of it all. Seems a little sketchy to me though. I feel like an empty hole is an empty hole, and changing it so you can only tell a difference under a microscope for this application is pointless. If they actually increase the diameter of the hole then that's another story. The description says that the blade is same size, so the hole has to be same size to then right?

This just all seems sketchy to me... someone please inform me of my ignorance! :)

Not "supposed" watch the video above. It makes better power. Throttle response is more noticeable that a small hp gain though...

Angrybird 12 02-20-2014 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbowen89 (Post 7436412)
Somebody said you can do this under hood? The battery positive rail just has one large cable running up to engine bay, and I can disconnect there?

I just removed the negative off the battery like the instructions said. It only took a few minutes.


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