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CamaroSpike23 08-06-2009 07:11 PM

Nitrous info
 
I've posted it elsewhere and its got a lot of good info, so I figured id sticky this little Nitrous writeup.

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I have to admit, I love Nitrous Oxide for use in dual purpose street cars. The reasons are simple:nitrous kits are cheap,it is easy to hide,and it is easy to tune and maintain. These reasons coupled with understanding how Nitrous works,and how to use it CORRECTLY make it a good performance booster.

Nitrous adds power by adding extra oxygen in a compact form into an engine. Of course,to combust this extra oxygen you need a corresponding amount of extra fuel to accomplish this. Nitrous also cools down the intake charge,making it denser,thereby allowing more molecules per cylinder-making more power. There is no limit in how much liquid Nitrous Oxide you can get into a motor,but the motor itself can only take so much stress before it breaks something. Because nitrous increases cylinder pressure-a product of stuffing more oxygen into a cylinder,rods usually bend before anything else breaks. Running a Nitrous engine lean will cause "hot spots" on the pistons that may destroy them in a few short seconds. Nitrous pumps up the torque curve immensely,this is how it adds more power to an engine. It also keeps this added torque to the power peak,increasing hp immensely also.

Nitrous kits are easy to install and service,but they need careful tuning and maintainence in order to work properly and not cause any premature engine problems/failures. You have to pay strict attention to the instructions included in a kit,as some kits differ from others.

Fuel System

Nitrous kits demand fuel pressure under load (engine load) to be a certain psi,usually 5 psi in carb systems,I have no idea what injected systems are run at. Most cars with carbs have a block mounted,or mechanical fuel pump,and FI cars usually have an electric pump in the fuel tank. The FI guys are OK,unless the pump is weak then you must replace it. The guys with carbs will have to buy an electric pump,because even a performance mechanical pump can't pump enough fuel at low engine rpms. You have to mount it as close to the fuel tank as possible,while still being inline with the fuel lines of the car. Mallory,Carter and Holley make excellent pumps for street use.

In order to get fuel to the Nitrous kit,you must tee your line in order to get fuel. FI guys use the Shrader valve on TPIs or LT1s. The carb guys must use a tee cut into the fuel line,which are included in most kits. You then set pressure to the kit at the psi called for in the manual under load,you may or may not need a fuel pressure regulator to do this.

If your motor makes a lot of hp-over 400 by itself,or if you run a lot of nitrous-200 hp or more,it is smart to run two seperate fuel pumps. One should be for the motor and one for the nitrous kit. You may even have to run two 1/2" fuel lines depending on how much hp your motor and kit can produce. If you run into this situation,expect to spend a lot of time and money in order to get enough fuel into your engine.

Nitrous Lines

Nitrous is run from your bottle-usually in the rear of the car,to the front using braided stainless steel AN lines,usually 4AN size. You mount the bottle in your hatch-or trunk and drill a hole through the floor to run the line under the car. You can run the line along the brake lines (I did),or along the fuel lines. You must keep it away from the exhaust,as it will heat the liquid Nitrous into gas-a no-no.

You connect it to the solenoid,and boom your'e done. A good item to add is a filter in line for the nitrous-the kit comes with a screen filter that clogs easily.

Electrical System

Nitrous is easy to hook in electrically to your car,but it must be done neatly and properly. You must connect the power end into a switched terminal in the fuse box-one that is hot only when the key is on. It is a double-safety switch system,one switch is the main power to the system switch,the other is a pushbutton that activates the system only when it is depressed. You have to ground the main switch and solenoids,not the push button-a word of early advice. Also use a decent size wire,as the kit may pull as many as 15 amperes of power-be overly conservative with this. Otherwise it is very simple to hook a kit up,put grommets if you wire through the firewall as a safety measure.

Timing and Nitrous Oxide

Behind fuel,timing is the most important area of Nitrous use to understand and follow. To get maximum power from a naturally aspirated or forced induction motor,you run the timing as high as detonation allows-you get max power there. By using better gas,you can put in more timing and get more power. Nitrous doesn't work that way. You must retard the timing when using Nitrous. Why? Because it pumps up cylinder pressure so much that detonation may occur,resulting usually in broken pistons and bent rods. You definitely don't want to do that!How to set timing:For every 50 hp in Nitrous you add to a motor,you must retard timing by 1-1/2 to 2 degrees in order not to damage parts. For a 150 hp kit,you would take 4-1/2 to 6 degrees of timing out. Since taking timing out when the car is not using Nitrous hurts power,you can either move the timing maually every time,or buy an ignition system that is controlable from inside the car when you want to.

Ignition power and systems

You must, at the minumum have an ignition system that puts out as much power as a stock system. Those cars with better ignition sytems will make more power on and off Nitrous. You can upgrade your ignition in a few ways:wires-buy new high performance wires and put then in.

Plugs- nitrous likes the use of plugs one heat range colder then stock,also gap plugs according to stock or nitrous kit specifications (if there are any);Coil-use a coil with more power;Ignition box-use a quality box with a built in motor rev limiter,it increases spark power to the coil. By doing all of these upgrades,you will greatly increase ignition power and can gain up to 15 hp alone.

What does Nitrous work best with?

Nitrous needs a few things in order to work to its full potential. First,you need a free flow exhaust system-headers,3" cat (f-bodies),and a good 3" cat back exhaust. Second,you need good tires,because Nitrous pumps up torque so much you may burn the tires for blocks.

Some parts that hold back normal motors may actually help nitrous motors go faster. For example,if you have 2.73 gears in your car,it is most probably slower than having 3.73 gears. With nitrous,you will not burn as much rubber with the 2.73s,and may even be able to activate the system sooner in your run-making better ETs with lower mph. Torque converters with high stall speeds on street tires with nitrous are a guarantee that you will either burn rubber,or not be able to activate the system as early.

You will need to have a new high performance clutch put in manual cars,autos need a trans prepped for race conditions because the extra torque will kill clutches and other parts very quickly. You should also have a limited slip rear,because the power will certainly overpower a 'one-legger'.

Nitrous also works best with motors that are stock or mildly modified. Those with more modified motors will not see as great an increase in power as non-modified ones. Nitrous works the same in different size motors,depending on kit size.

Building a Nitrous Motor

Guys who use Nitrous or build Nitrous motors professionally have a motto:

Build a nitrous motor as strong as one that would make the same power on the motor only.

This is how to build a motor for Nitrous that will outperform and outlive motors not built only for Nitrous use. It is expensive,as you need parts that are stronger than anything the factory ever put out. You will need pistons,rods,crankshaft,and block for the bottom end.

Bottom End

Nitrous motors need to be built for strength, not high rpms. Lightweight, "loose" motors will not last under Nitrous (you need strong, tight engines in order for you to thrive). First, take the motor apart, clean it and have it machined by a machine shop that specializes in race engines,rebuilding places don't cut the mustard. Second, only premuim parts-pink rods,TRW pistons and GM steel cranks are NOT premuim parts. Get 4340 rods-as long as possible (usually 6"). Get a stroker crank made out of premuim steel(since the extra cubes only cost a little bit more). Get good pistons-J&E,Wiseco,Manley...etc matched to rod length and crank stroke. Have it balanced and thrown in with the proper parts. Also it is a good idea to have a splayed four bolt main, since the two bolt caps can be weak-stud it also.

Top End
The top end is where the power is, bottom end work is only to increase strength, durability, and cubic inch displacement. You need to have the proper intake, heads, and cam in order to make big power. It is best to closely match the cam and heads first, as there are less choices (and possible mistakes), in intake manifolds.

Cams for Nitrous motors will not make peak power at different rpms than motor only cams, but special considerations must be made. The cam controls valve motion, key to power or lack of it. Since Nitrous goes in as a compact liquid and escapes as a pressurized gas, steps must be taken in cam selection in order not to create backpressure that will cut power. If your heads flow better than 80% intake to exhaust, you can use a single pattern cam. If your heads flow under 80%, the backpressure of a single pattern cam is too much, a dual pattern is needed. A single pattern cam has the same duration and valve lift on both intake and exhaust. Dual pattern cams have more exhaust duration and valve lift than intake, allowing more exhaust gas out. The selection should also consider that heads that flow good at higher lifts should use that advantage, roller cams allow a lot more leeway in lift vs duration. see Cam basics

Heads must be matched to the cam closely, a head meant for 7500rpm use will be useless on a 5500rpm motor, it will actually hurt power. For advice on how to pick heads for power, look at the sections on motor work and cam selection on this web site. Heads make more power if the ratio of intake to exhaust flow is 80% or greater, otherwise the cam must be a dual pattern to make the max power.

Intakes are also important. If you have a carb motor,you can either get a dual plane or single plane manifold. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. Dual plane intakes are meant to pump up bottom end torque offsetting the loss of hp high up. You can buy dual plane intakes for high or low rpm duty,still keeping low rpm torque. Those individuals with engines 350 ci and smaller should use a dual plane in order ro pump up torque. Single plane intakes are menat to pump up high rpm hp without considering the loss of low end torque. If you have a large-383 ci or bigger engine that has too much torque to hook up,a single plane is for you,as it will kill some torque and give you more hp on the top end. Nitrous is not picky with type of intake,but the motor is-do the right thing. TPI cars have less choices and therefore less opportunities to pick the wrong intake. If you have a low revving,or small size motor,a stock or ported stock style TPI intake will work best. If you have a higher revving,or larger ci motor that needs all the torque it can get,buy an Accel Superram intake. The Superram will increase high rpm breathing without hurting low end torque. If you have a very high revving,or a motor with too much low end torque,get a TPIS miniram. The Miniram is the same principle as the single plane intake,and GM's LT1 intake is a clone of this.

Types of kits

There are three major styles of kits: The plate system,the dry manifold system,and the direct port system. Each style has its advantages and disadvantages.

Plate System/Wet System
Plate systems are the cheapest,easiest to install,and are the least accurate in Nitrous metering to the cylinders. The 'plate' fits under the carb or between the TB and intake in FI cars. It introduces the Nitrous/Fuel mixture all at that point,but distribution to the cylinders is not equal. The carb cars are better suited,as all intake runners are directly under the carb. Some cars have large differences in how much fuel and nitrous each cylinder gets,as some runners are a foot further back than others.



Plate system:
http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/images/NO-00-4205.jpg

Wet System
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Dry Manifold System
With most 'dry manifold' systems, instead of the fuel and Nitrous both being introduced in the same point as the plate or wet system,the fuel is injected using the fuel injectors the motor uses. The Nitrous is still injected in the same manner as the plate systems. This style offers several advantages over the plate system:it is easier to install, fuel is more evenly distributed to each cylinder, and it is less messy to install. It also has several distinct disadvantages:it is more expensive, it attempts to combine engine and Nitrous fuel requirements into one system, it uses a pre-set computer chip to meter fuel under Nitrous (if the chip is out of adjustment with the requirements of the Nitrous may cause heavy engine damage.) It does not work well with carb motors because of design.



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Direct Port System
Direct port systems are the most accurate in fuel and Nitrous metering, are the most expensive, require heavy fabrication/modification, and are not easily hidden. Direct port systems put both a fuel and Nitrous line to each intake runner on an engine. Since each runner is individually tuneable, equality can easily exist between cylinders. To do this, each cylinder needs both a Nitrous and Fuel line run it, all bent and installed precisely. A direct port system is basically 8 wet systems combined. It is obvious you should either take the intake off the car first, or better yet,have a pro do it. The kits also are expensive, starting at $700, not including pro intallation. These kits are the safest and most powerful when using Nitrous Oxide.

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/installs/images/11.jpg

http://image.gmhightechperformance.c...es_for_nos.jpg
Recommendations

Don't be afraid of Nitrous. Properly used,it is great. Abuse it and you will be walking home with a blown motor.
Learn all that you can before getting a kit,some people should use something other than Nitrous to attain their goals.
Read the manual carefully when you buy a kit.
Fuel is the most important commodity in your engine,make sure you have enough.
Make sure your ignition system is strong.
Make sure you set the timing to the reccommended settings as stated by the Nitrous kit manufacturer.
Find a place local to you that offers Nitrous refills for a fair price.
Get the proper permits in order to use Nitrous Oxide in your car.
Since Nitrous will make your car go faster in the quarter mile,you must gear the car for nitrous use,not for the motor only



*Edit*

Some more info about Nitrous

N2O ; Nitrous oxide
CAS Number : 10024-97-2
UN1070 (gas); UN2201 (liquid refrigerated)

Nitrogen oxide; Dinitrogen monoxide; Dinitrogen oxide; Laughing gas; nitrogen monoxide

SUPPLY MODE:
This product can be supplied in cylinders, or liquefied gas tank.

Molecular Weight
Molecular weight : 44.013 g/mol

Solid phase
Melting point : -91 C
Latent heat of fusion (1,013 bar, at triple point) : 148.53 kJ/kg

Liquid phase
Liquid density (1.013 bar at boiling point) : 1222.8 kg/m3
Liquid/gas equivalent (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 662 vol/vol
Boiling point (1.013 bar) : -88.5 C
Latent heat of vaporization (1.013 bar at boiling point) : 376.14 kJ/kg
Vapor pressure (at 20 C or 68 F) : 58.5 bar

Critical point
Critical temperature : 36.4 C
Critical pressure : 72.45 bar

Gaseous phase
Gas density (1.013 bar at boiling point) : 3.16 kg/m3
Gas density (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 1.872 kg/m3
Compressibility Factor (Z) (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 0.9939
Specific gravity (air = 1) (1.013 bar and 21 C (70 F)) : 1.53
Specific volume (1.013 bar and 21 C (70 F)) : 0.543 m3/kg
Heat capacity at constant pressure (Cp) (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 0.038 kJ/(mol.K)
Heat capacity at constant volume (Cv) (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 0.029 kJ/(mol.K)
Ratio of specific heats (Gamma:Cp/Cv) (1.013 bar and 15 C (59 F)) : 1.302256
Viscosity (1.013 bar and 0 C (32 F)) : 0.000136 Poise
Thermal conductivity (1.013 bar and 0 C (32 F)) : 14.57 mW/(m.K)

Miscellaneous
Solubility in water (1.013 bar and 5 C (41 F)) : 1.14 vol/vol

Hazards:
Major hazard : Supports Combustion and Suffocation
Toxicity (Am. Conf. Of Gov. Ind. Hygienists ACGIH 2000 Edition) : 50 ppm
Flammability limits in air (STP conditions) : Strong Oxidiser
Odour : Sweet
UN Number : UN1070 (gas); UN2201 (liquid refrigerated)
EINECS Number : 233-032-0
DOT Label (USA) : NFG
DOT Hazard class (USA) : Non flammable Gas

Material Compatibility:
General Behavior : Equipment must be thoroughly degreased before use.
Risk of violent reaction particularly with the valves.

Aluminium Satisfactory
Brass Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Copper Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Ferritic Steels (e.g. Carbon steels) Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Stainless Steel Satisfactory

Plastics

Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Satisfactory
Polychlorotrifluoroethylene (PCTFE) Satisfactory
Vinylidene polyfluoride (PVDF) (KYNAR™) Acceptable but possible ignition under certain conditions
Polyamide (PA) (NYLON™) Acceptable but possible ignition under certain conditions and important swelling.
Polypropylne (PP) Acceptable but possible ignition under certain conditions

Elastomers

Buthyl (isobutene - isoprene) rubber (IIR) Non recommended, possible ignition and significant swelling.
Nitrile rubber (NBR) Non recommended, possible ignition and significant swelling.
Chloroprene (CR) Non recommended, possible ignition and significant swelling.
Chlorofluorocarbons (FKM) (VITON™) Non recommended, significant swelling.
Silicon (Q) Satisfactory
Ethylene - Propylene (EPDM) Non recommended, possible ignition and significant swelling.

Lubricants

Hydrocarbon based lubricant Non recommended, possible ignition.
Fluorocarbon based lubricant Satisfactory






more reading
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/How...4Kp3JBK2&itm=2

http://www.go-fast.org/z28/new_to_nitrous.html


If anyone else has some info to be added, let me know.

Milk 1027 08-06-2009 07:46 PM

nice

CamaroSpike23 08-06-2009 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027 (Post 768750)
nice


thank you. ;) I aim to please.

I'm debating on whether I want to do Super/Turbochargers next, or Transmissions, or rear ends, or heads, or tuning....or....:iono:

ljustin293 08-06-2009 07:56 PM

I started reading at 7:50..

at 7:53 my head exploded..





nice work Spike!

Milk 1027 08-06-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23 (Post 768784)
thank you. ;) I aim to please.

I'm debating on whether I want to do Super/Turbochargers next, or Transmissions, or rear ends, or heads, or tuning....or....:iono:

I think super/turbochargers are a more popular topic

CamaroSpike23 08-06-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027 (Post 768796)
I think super/turbochargers are a more popular topic


yeah. but I already know the can of worms its going to open when the first reply is.... "which one is better?"

:mad0259:

JTinFL 08-06-2009 08:44 PM

I love nitrous, it spools my turbo up faster! ;)

CamaroSpike23 08-08-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JTinFL (Post 768941)
I love nitrous, it spools my turbo up faster! ;)

:word:

thats another aspect people rarely see. a 50-75 shot on the motor to spool up a turbo application.

The_Blur 08-08-2009 10:10 PM

This is a phenomenal document. :thumbsup: This is the sort of writing that should be in those garbage-filled magazines that people who think they know about cars actually read. This is the real deal. :clap:

CamaroSpike23 08-08-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 776949)
This is a phenomenal document. :thumbsup: This is the sort of writing that should be in those garbage-filled magazines that people who think they know about cars actually read. This is the real deal. :clap:


I'll be adding more like this as time goes on. I've got a bunch of info already saved.... just gotta find it. just ask Dragoneye how much tech info I used to send him all the time. :D

Ultimate Performance 08-15-2009 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23 (Post 776929)
:word:

thats another aspect people rarely see. a 50-75 shot on the motor to spool up a turbo application.

First off, nice write up... Our shop was one of the first to have Nitrous on top of a TT in the Nissan/Infiniti platform. In the pic below(thats my little toy-350Z) I was running a APS TT with a 75 shot of Nitrous. JT from our shop is a N20 junkie:)

Everytime I see this picture, I wonder if the guy is scratching his chin or giving me the Italian hand gesture..FU :)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...rags483411.jpg

bamfcamaro 09-30-2009 09:32 AM

real performance
 
trust me if you want real performance with out putting that much stress and making a possibility of engine failure ego with the sts turbo guys they are wonderful people and their product is incredible . you will not be dissapointed with anything you get from there .If you go with nitrous when you coulda got those guys AND their product your crazy

WeeZee 10-20-2009 05:35 PM

N20 is a great solution for horse power but especially torque. I plan on adding a 75 horse dry system to my 2011 CamaroSS when I get it next year just to get it movin at the track and alittle fun on the freeway

null_x86 11-22-2009 07:29 PM

I wonder, can you supercharge a 2010 Camaro, then run nitrous on it? Or would that be too much stress on the engine...

Mr.LSX 01-25-2010 12:24 AM

Great post. Thank you! I love N20!:rules:

The 2010 Sin 04-23-2010 02:07 AM

you can do both in moderation.. I had a 2003 kenne bell supercharged cobra with nitrous basically to cool the blower! ;-) hehehe.

Cole@Fastlane 04-23-2010 01:50 PM

Very informative.The only issue i see is what was said about the rods binding being the first problem when spraying too much.First hand i can tell you all that the rod bolts are the first to go.If you put arp 9000 rod bolts in the stock rods they are good for over 700 rwhp.

BICHN CAMARO 05-14-2010 08:43 PM

Great info! Now I know a pro will install mine. Anybody in Boise ID a pro at this?:headbang:

CamaroSpike23 05-15-2010 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole@Fastlane (Post 1759273)
Very informative.The only issue i see is what was said about the rods binding being the first problem when spraying too much.First hand i can tell you all that the rod bolts are the first to go.If you put arp 9000 rod bolts in the stock rods they are good for over 700 rwhp.

rods.... rod bolts.... its all part of the bigger picture :D




Quote:

Originally Posted by BICHN CAMARO (Post 1857007)
Great info! Now I know a pro will install mine. Anybody in Boise ID a pro at this?:headbang:

you could drive down here...lol

Cole@Fastlane 05-17-2010 02:40 PM

If the rods bent the block would still be useable.When the rod bolts break the rods tend to destroy the block when flying around and getting beat by the crank.

That is the bigger picture.......................................

FLP 05-17-2010 05:31 PM

Just remember, with Nitrous it's not a matter of IF you will have engine issues it's WHEN.

Cole@Fastlane 05-18-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FLP (Post 1868119)
Just remember, with Nitrous it's not a matter of IF you will have engine issues it's WHEN.

Well that depends on the tune and amount of dope really.Boost can kill an engine just as fast as nitrous.Its all in the tune.

CamaroSpike23 05-19-2010 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole@Fastlane (Post 1867503)
If the rods bent the block would still be useable.When the rod bolts break the rods tend to destroy the block when flying around and getting beat by the crank.

That is the bigger picture.......................................

yeah. I was agreeing with you. :respekt: guess I could have expounded on what I meant better :laugh:

I was meaning more towards when building a motor, dont cut the mustard. premium parts... AND fasteners are key to longevity. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole@Fastlane (Post 1870905)
Well that depends on the tune and amount of dope really.Boost can kill an engine just as fast as nitrous. Its all in the tune.


:word:

Winslow 05-26-2010 12:17 PM

Pleeeeeease do this for Superchargers and turbos.

Milk 1027 05-26-2010 05:49 PM

how about Meth injection next.


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