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Nine Ball 08-22-2009 07:50 AM

DIY : Install underdrive pulley on 2010 Camaro SS
 
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Our newest tech article, check it out if you plan on installing an underdrive crank pulley on your 2010 SS.

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We show you how to install an underdrive crank pulley in your 5th generation Camaro...

Introduction

There are a slew of modifications for your LS-powered vehicles that physically make more horsepower and torque - such as camshafts, ported heads, and exhaust. While they increase power by increasing airflow and/ or engine efficiency, they are not considered parasitic loss items. Parasitic loss components use up some of the already determined engine-produced power, and these items can include the accessories driven off the front of the crankshaft. When modifying your engine to increase performance by manipulating existing accessories, you can free up power that the engine already makes that is eaten up by the parasitic drag, from rotating accessories like the alternator and power steering. The fix is not removing the belt and forgetting these components exist, rather there is a simple bolt-on item in the form of a undersized crankshaft drive pulley that will change the rotational speed of the accessories, and slow them down to a minimal speed required. The easiest way to think of this modification helping is to think of a 10-speed bicycle. in low gear, you are putting forth minimum effort to maintain speed by utilizing a simple leverage system and higher RPM to maintain that speed. Stay at that same speed, but now change into the highest gear. Now you feel the load incurred by essentially changing the pulley size of the drive gear. It now takes more horsepower and effort to maintain that speed. The crankshaft pulley can be likened to the cranking side of the bikes drive system. Smaller diameter gears or pulleys take less HP to drive, larger requires more, the pulley size directly relating to belt travel per rotation. Simple enough.

The 2010 Camaro is no exception to the underdrive pulley rule. Adding an underdrive pulley to just about any car with belt-driven accessories is bound to free up a little power by reducing drag. With a few specialty tools some common hand tools and about an hour of time, you too can have almost free HP gains with your own 2010 Camaro! The proper removal and installation tools are what determine the hardness level, without the proper tools, you could spend hours attempting this install. Don't try this without access to the proper equipment.

Skill Level
Low-Medium

Estimated Time Required
Approximately 1 hour

Parts List
25% Underdrive pulley for 2010 Camaro
Proper main serpentine belt
Proper A/C belt
New GM crankshaft bolt
New GM crankshaft front seal (optional)

Tools Required
Flat-tipped screwdriver
10mm deep socket
15mm wrench
15/16" or 24mm deep socket or shallow with 4" extension (1/2" drive 6-point)
Long 1/2" breaker bar
3-Jaw crankshaft pulley remover (rental is available from "convenience style" auto parts stores)
M16 x 2.0 threaded rod and hardware for re-installation
Torque wrench up to 250 lb ft. or portly friend
Angle torque gage or suitable replacement
Seal remover (if seal replaced)
Scissors or knife to cut old A/C belt

Installation

1. Disconnect Battery, it is located in the trunk where you would assume a spare tire would reside. Instead you will find a small air compressor, some tire sealant and the battery. Disconnect the negative cable with a 10mm deep socket and remove cable from battery.

2. Remove Factory or Aftermarket Air induction for improved access to front of engine. The stock airbox has (2) 10mm sized retention nuts on the inner fenderwell. Remove the Mass Air Flow Connector, and then loosen the screw clamp to the throttle body. Firmly remove the airbox assembly, it take a little tug to remove it from the lower rubber grommeted pin and set aside.

3. Remove the main accessory drive belt, noting its routing, it is similiar to 4th generation F-bodies. Remove tension from the main belt tensioner by using the 15mm wrench on the tensioner and pushing in towards the centerline of the engine. Remove old belt and set aside, it will not be reused with the new pulley.

4. Take a look at the A/C belt, yes there is no tensioner present. GM uses what is called by some as a stretchy belt. Which is a fancy name for a normal belt that is stretched to install. Since no one but the dealership will have the proper removal tool, you can do one of two things here: Quickest and easiest is to cut the belt off, which is not reused anyway, or you can leverage the belt out of place and attempt to jump the belt off by rotating the crankshaft pulley by hand while holding the belt mis-aligned. When that fails break out your knife and just cut it off.

5. If you have a 6-Speed Manual car, this next step is easy. Put the car in 4th gear, and set the parking brake. You may also want to chock the tires from moving if your parking brake is not holding. Now take the breaker bar with the 15/16" or 24mm socket and loosen the crankshaft center bolt. It will take some effort. Set the old bolt aside once removed. If you have a 6-Speed Auto Camaro, you will need to either use a big impact gun on the crank bolt, or find a way to lock down the crankshaft from turning. Many people report good results by using a long screwdriver or prybar holding the flexplate from turning. You would likely need a 2nd set of hands if so.

6. Using the 3-jawed puller and proper spacers/pushrod for removal affix the pulley puller to the stock crankshaft pulley with the 3-jaws all located on a flat or notched surface. The initial removal might take some extra effort for the first budge of the pulley, but after that it should be removed easily. When removed, set the pulley aside. The pulley is obviously not reused.

7. If you choose to replace the crankshaft front cover seal, use a long screwdriver or seal remover to dislodge the crank seal. Use a small hammer and a socket or spacer to reinstall the new seal, it is quite easy to pop into place, sometimes as easily as by hand.

8. Place your new crankshaft pulley into place on the end of the crankshaft, it should stay in place by itself, but if not hold it while installing the long M16 x 2.0 threaded rod. Some forum members sell this installation tool, but for about $10 you can make your own with a length of threaded rod cut to size a few M16 x 2.0 nuts and a stack of washers that will push against the inside of the new crankshaft pulley.

9. Thread the pulley installation tool into the crankshaft and once threaded in sufficiently, you may start the press-on procedure. Thread the installation press nut in until the crankshaft pulley seats all the way against the lower timing gear. You will know when it bottoms out. While pressing the pulley on, make sure the pulley is squarely installing over the crankshaft stub and not going on crooked.

10. Once the new crankshaft hub is installed, you can now seat the pulley using the old crankshaft pulley bolt. Torque the bolt to 250lb ft, or as close to it as possible. For reference a 1 ft breaker bar is at 250lbs setting with a 250lb weight applied to the 1 ft mark; with a 2 ft breaker bar, it is at 250lb ft on the bolt with 175lbs of weight applied to the end of the breaker bar; with a 3 ft breaker bar, this is now 83.3lbs of weight. So the longer the breaker bar or torque wrench, the easier the leverage becomes as you tighten bolts to ungodly torque settings.

11. Remove the old crankshaft bolt and discard. Now you can tighten the new crankshaft bolt to specification. I like to use a smidge of loctite on the new bolt threads as cheap insurance. I always hear of crankshaft bolts loosening up, if loctite helps prevent it, that is what I want to use.

12. Torque the new crank bolt to 37 lb ft., mark the bolt and then turn the bolt an additional 140 degrees of rotation using the torque angle gage.

13. Now that the pulley is installed, assembly for the most part is backwards from disassembly.

14. Install the new A/C belt by first looping it behind the crankshaft pulley, then routing it over the A/C compressor pulley grooves in its correct location. Now depending on which way you rotate the crankshaft in the next step determines where to start "wrapping" the belt over the crankshaft pulley. I rotate clockwise, so I would start the belt at the top of the crankshaft pulley and as I rotate the crankshaft I hold the belt in place. Once stretched over the crankshaft pulley, you keep rotating the crankshaft and the belt will continue to center itself until it finally will snap into place. A few more turns insures the belt is locked into its groove.

15. Install the main drive belt by following the belt routing schematic or by just routing it as so: First route the belt over the grooved tensioner, then follow the belt down and install it over the crankshaft pulley, from the crankshaft pulley, the belt is routed up to the smooth idler pulley, then back down to the alternator pulley, after the alternator, it is routed around the power steering and then is laid in front of the water pump.

16. Release the tensioner by levering it over towards the centerline of the engine and slide the belt into place under the water pump pulley.

17. Verify belts are in correct orientation, and reinstall your air induction using the supplied hardware, either OEM or Aftermarket

18. Reinstall battery ground cable and start the car up. You should notice no warning lights on the dash, shut off the car and do a final inspection of the belts for proper routing once again as sometimes they are not fully seated when initially installed.

19. Shut hood, taking care not to leave any tools in the engine bay.

20. Give yourself a high-five, you just installed one of the many easy bolt-on modifications for your 2010 Camaro SS!

Conclusion

As is the case with most bolt-on componentry, the pulley change usually requires no additional tuning. It is one of the modifications that you can bolt-on and go without changing your driving technique; and does not substantially affect cooling, power steering effort or alternator charging. The only time you may see a detrimental effect from a pulley swap is when your vehicle is equipped with a larger stereo system, due to the increased load placed on the vehicles electrical system. If that is the case, you may be able to employ a smaller alternator pulley to speed up the charging system to the same speed as before the pulley, but most people would not require the overdrive alternator pulley.


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On to the dyno results from the 2010 Camaro pulley swap; the LS3 picked up right at 9.5 hp and 8 lb-ft of torque to the rear wheels. Notice from the graph that this is not a gain at only high or low engine RPM, it is a gain that is highlighted through the entire RPM range. The addition of a pulley to your 2010 Camaro will increase approximately the same amount, whether you are a stock engine, or have a larger cubic inch engine. Many aftermarket pulleys are also keyed, so that if you utilize an aftermarket crankshaft with a keyway, or use a crankshaft "vertical" style pin kit from ATI Performance, the new pulley will be locked into place no matter what level of RPM abuse you put it through. The use of any type of pinning kit is recommended anytime power adders are implemented to your LS-equipped vehicle.

Extra Note on Specialty-Type Tools

The OEM crankshaft balancer pulley can be removed with any large 3-jawed puller and any solid object set against the crank to pull against. The pulley puller I use is specific to the LS-Engine and a few Mopar styles of balancers. It uses a "pushrod" to push against the crankshaft near where the end of the inner crankshaft threads are. I believe Autozone loans these types of pulley pullers out for a deposit, but you may need a longer "pushrod" than what theirs are equipped with, the length required is about 7.2" and just so happens to be in the 5/16" diameter, so if you have some old LT1 hardened pushrods, here is your chance to use them to gain power for once. :)

The threaded rod used in the photographs is cut from about a 4 foot length of hardened all-thread purchased from a bolt supply store (M16 X 2.0), you will need a stack of washers or spacers, about 8-10 inches of threaded rod, and the properly threaded nut to press the new balancer on. This is the recommended method due to full thread engagement being used against the stock crankshaft threads to pull the balancer into place. When you use just a longer bolt, you are inducing friction on the threads, and also not fully engaging all of the threads in the crankshaft. When using a threaded installation rod, you are still applying the same force, but the load is spread out further than the just 1-5 threads a longer bolt would grab. I have used both methods in the past, but after stripping out a crankshaft and overnighting in a M16 tap, I will not go back to the "long bolt" method...ever.



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rodimus prime 08-22-2009 01:03 PM

Thats going to be a great site for the how to section alone.

mydreamcar 08-22-2009 01:18 PM

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ALLT4 08-22-2009 08:38 PM

Installing under drive pulleys is like installing trouble. WP turns slower as well as the alternator, enjoy some higher temps and lights that dim at low RPM.

rodimus prime 08-22-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 832323)
Installing under drive pulleys is like installing trouble. WP turns slower as well as the alternator, enjoy some higher temps and lights that dim at low RPM.


LOL. Ive had them on pretty much every fbody Ive owned and never once had any issues with it. Never had higher temps or lights that dim at low rpms. Do you really think your alternator/waterpump are going to notice any difference at anything but idle. Even then theres still that pesky thermostat that stops water flow until its at the right temp. So no, higher temps is b.s.

themossman 08-22-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 832323)
Installing under drive pulleys is like installing trouble. WP turns slower as well as the alternator, enjoy some higher temps and lights that dim at low RPM.

I have a 25% pulley on mine and experience none of what you describe.

ALLT4 08-22-2009 10:39 PM

Wow, GM really pulled a boner then, all of these then should have come with smaller pulleys. There's a reason the pulleys are sized they way they are, it wasn't GM engineers going "well that seems OK" they're sized to provide a specific water flow, water flow is paramount in a cooling system regardless of thermostat, once it's open, it's done it's job. If your temperature is running 200 or so the thermostat is fully open, reducing water flow will reduce cooling efficiency.

Now what happens, the fans run more to regulate cooling instead of the system working as designed. Where does the power for the fans come from? Let me think.... oh that's right, the alternator which is now also under-driven.

Do what you want if you think you're going to gain a lot, personally I'll keep the stock pulleys and find more power elsewhere. I'm really skeptical of the claimed power increases. Not only that but the pulley is also the damper, why stick some POS pulley in place of your engineered by GM pulley? To gain what a few HP? Not worth it to me at all.

mark_p 08-22-2009 10:56 PM

I have to agree. You get very little if any out of them. I have dynoed with no belt at all and only picked up like 4 hp. So I know an underdrive could only give you like 2hp or so. that is not worth the potential negatives or even an install to me.

rodimus prime 08-22-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 832720)
Wow, GM really pulled a boner then, all of these then should have come with smaller pulleys.


Yup, and they could of come with headers, a bigger cam, a better gear size, a better tune, a better air intake, but they didnt. Its a lousy $200 for a better balancer and you pick up a few hp.

Kilo-9 08-22-2009 11:13 PM

I have an underdrive on my 4th gen and haven't experienced anything that could be remotely considered trouble. They don't make a dramatic difference, but if you are looking to squeeze every last pony out of your engine, then they're an easy mod. However, modifying vehicles obviously isn't for everyone...

383ss 08-23-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 832323)
Installing under drive pulleys is like installing trouble. WP turns slower as well as the alternator, enjoy some higher temps and lights that dim at low RPM.

:rolleyes: have you ever even had one on a car?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 832720)
Wow, GM really pulled a boner then, all of these then should have come with smaller pulleys. There's a reason the pulleys are sized they way they are, it wasn't GM engineers going "well that seems OK" they're sized to provide a specific water flow, water flow is paramount in a cooling system regardless of thermostat, once it's open, it's done it's job. If your temperature is running 200 or so the thermostat is fully open, reducing water flow will reduce cooling efficiency.

Now what happens, the fans run more to regulate cooling instead of the system working as designed. Where does the power for the fans come from? Let me think.... oh that's right, the alternator which is now also under-driven.

Do what you want if you think you're going to gain a lot, personally I'll keep the stock pulleys and find more power elsewhere. I'm really skeptical of the claimed power increases. Not only that but the pulley is also the damper, why stick some POS pulley in place of your engineered by GM pulley? To gain what a few HP? Not worth it to me at all.

sounds like you just need to keep your car stock.

ALLT4 08-23-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 383ss (Post 833555)
:rolleyes: have you ever even had one on a car?

Yes, it sucked.

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Originally Posted by 383ss (Post 833555)
sounds like you just need to keep your car stock.

Not keeping it stock, if I wanted to squeeze that last 3 horsepower out of my ride at that expense I would. Not worth it though.

Do what you want, there are drawbacks to it. The last thing I want to do is start adding more horsepower and then on top it reduce the efficiency of cooling and charging.

rodimus prime 08-23-2009 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4 (Post 833706)
Yes, it sucked.



Not keeping it stock, if I wanted to squeeze that last 3 horsepower out of my ride at that expense I would. Not worth it though.

Do what you want, there are drawbacks to it. The last thing I want to do is start adding more horsepower and then on top it reduce the efficiency of cooling and charging.

LOL.


Yeah it sucked!!! LOL. :cry:

_GTO_ 08-29-2009 07:16 PM

Is this an aftermarket belt or OEM belt?
Because i couldnt find an aftermarket one .

jmlozano7 04-07-2010 02:02 PM

Do not use the 82.7" serpentine belt that they tell you. It is too loose. I spent over 3 hours installing the thing just because I had to go back and forth to O'Riley's to get the right size. I ended up buying the next length below to get the correct tension. Don't have the part number at hand but it was a Gates belt close to 81.8"

gearhead440 07-03-2010 07:45 AM

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I worked for several hours to incorrectly remove the pulley to discover that there are indentions on the back side of the hub. Once I used these indentions and a push rod that was long enough, the stock pulley came right off. There is a "seal" that is on the lip of the stock pulley but does not fit on the TSP replacement pulley that I installed, nor is it required.

tradosaurus 07-03-2010 07:56 AM

Wouldn't changing the pulley void the car's warranty?

jtzako 07-03-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tradosaurus (Post 2054921)
Wouldn't changing the pulley void the car's warranty?

The "car" no but they might make a case for not supporting any of the accessories driven by that belt.

Ron66Vette&10SS 07-03-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gearhead440 (Post 2054900)
I worked for several hours to incorrectly remove the pulley to discover that there are indentions on the back side of the hub. Once I used these indentions and a push rod that was long enough, the stock pulley came right off. There is a "seal" that is on the lip of the stock pulley but does not fit on the TSP replacement pulley that I installed, nor is it required.

COOL....glad to see you finally got it off :thumbup:

calbert1999 11-24-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime (Post 832829)
Yup, and they could of come with headers, a bigger cam, a better gear size, a better tune, a better air intake, but they didnt. Its a lousy $200 for a better balancer and you pick up a few hp.

Yeah. But, why do any of that when you can sell an overpriced product (in Canada anyway, Americans are getting great deal on these rides), make all kind of profits, make the new owner spend thousands on aftermarket mods so the vehicle performs the way it should, and now (GM) can dis-honour the warranty. Works great in their favour. Right?

Not sure about the US but I paid $53k for a Camaro SS / RS (stripes, IOM, GFX), plus $10k in engine / suspension upgrades (CAM, rods, dual springs, ceramic covered headers, complete new exhaust, rockers, cai, springs, end-links, swaybar, chassis & strut braces, labour, etc......). And, I got a fabulous deal on the car, parts and labour.

Would have been fabulous if GM engineers would have realized they could have given us 200+ additional HP's by putting on some good parts.
Hey, even throw in a Maggie SC (instead of the crappy one they'll provide with the Z28), boosta a'boost, fuel pumps, meth kit, and maybe some higher flowing headers, and stroked the engine all for another 175 - 250 more hps's.

Problem, is people will pay $80 - 100+k, for a BMW or Mercedes and have much less vehicle, but will complain if they had to pay $60-70k for a superior GM product with all the fixings.

I'm with you; People like to make dumb comments about how GM used the best parts and so on when in reality GM put the parts that would work at minimum spec. so they could make a substantial profit on these vehicles and still provide better value than most other vehicles in the same or higher price range, and people will realize that value and pay the price their asking. Really, in the case of the Camaro it's a win-win for everyone.

Currenlty, I have 470rwhp., add on a new pulley +10, new heads +20 - 40, new SC 150 - 200, new gears faster accelleration, et al. It all adds up, and if done properly with a good tuner, works just fine. So, for about $70; I'll have about 600rwhp., and no BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Jaguar, or any other EuroTrash overpriced tin can could even think about overperforming my car on the street or track; Um, okay, unless of course it costs $300k or more. Suckers. LOL

People won't pay $200 + labour for a new pulley, but they'll pay $120k for a Nissan GTR, and break the entire drive-train when taking off in launch mode.

jhyland87 11-27-2010 12:02 AM

I was told installing a smaller underdrive pulley is a terrible idea, due to the fact it effects your power steering, AC, alternator, etc etc. They all get less attention due to the fact the underdrive pulley provides less in a single rotation

T/F?

chriscamaro69z28 04-23-2011 01:37 PM

seriously if the pulley was a problem then why does the zl models from SLP come with them and GM offers a full factory warranty on them. My buddy has the ZL427 with SLP mods which includes the underdrive pulley and is fully warantied by GM as he bought new from the chevy dealer so i cant see the pulley being a problem im installing one on my car this weekend and i ran 1 on my 01 ss camaro with no problems

LSxtech 05-09-2011 08:05 PM

Nice writeup. ;)

chris1973 06-01-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jmlozano7 (Post 1687936)
Do not use the 82.7" serpentine belt that they tell you. It is too loose. I spent over 3 hours installing the thing just because I had to go back and forth to O'Riley's to get the right size. I ended up buying the next length below to get the correct tension. Don't have the part number at hand but it was a Gates belt close to 81.8"

I want to do this mod. Does anyone have any comments to add about the belt size?

caper 06-04-2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chris1973 (Post 3286948)
I want to do this mod. Does anyone have any comments to add about the belt size?

:stupid:

I've had the pulley here for a bit and am gettin ready to throw it on now that i have some time.


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