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Marvelous 09-08-2009 10:55 PM

Camaro SS\RS vs C63 AMG
 
I've been on the fence this entire year, I wont be in the market until late 2010 for a car, but I love both cars, lately I have been leaning toward the C63 because of the body gaps I see in the camaro :( Mainly the doors.

A lot can change in the styling from now until I'm actually in the market for a car, but what do you all think?

I have driven and been in a C63, love the car, I have yet to drive a the Camaro though. The C63 is a beast! :)

I'm aware of the price gap between the two cars, but it's only a minor issue IMO. Since it's going to be the first car I actually buy for myself, I want to be truely happy with the choice... even if it means an extra 10k or so.

To me, the Camaro has a lot of points because it has a soul, I had a 67 as my first car, miss it :( and the C63, well I just love it, and I think it's f*cking sexy but it doesn't hold special place in my hear the way the Camaro does.

Zeus 09-09-2009 01:12 AM

This is not a comparison.


C63 > in every possible way you could ever think of. But its 30k more..... why are you comparing the two?

211269 09-09-2009 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 900340)
This is not a comparison.


C63 > in every possible way you could ever think of. But its 30k more..... why are you comparing the two?

:word:

SWAT 79 09-09-2009 09:55 AM

He's comparing them because they're the 2 cars he's considering most, he said he rather pay more and be happy with his decision...so for him it's not so much the price as it is which he would rather own....

That being said, is this gonna be your dd or a fun car?

Zeus 09-09-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SWAT 79 (Post 900861)
He's comparing them because they're the 2 cars he's considering most, he said he rather pay more and be happy with his decision...so for him it's not so much the price as it is which he would rather own....

That being said, is this gonna be your dd or a fun car?

He also said he wouldnt mind dropping an extra 10k which probably means that he doesnt know the real price difference.


You could literally get 2 Camaros for the price of 1 C63 AMG.



But the AMG is worth it for sure.... with the detuned engine a tune unlocks some crazy horsepower potential and Check out this sound from inside the car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE0LQ...e=channel_page

Crowley 09-09-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 900340)
This is not a comparison.


C63 > in every possible way you could ever think of. But its 30k more..... why are you comparing the two?

I agree .. if you can afford the C63 .. go for it .. hell of a car!

Crowley

ssump29 09-09-2009 10:25 AM

It's a nice car but IMO it doesn't compare. It's a sedan while the camaro is a sports coupe. I had one those cars try to keep up with me in chicago and it couldn't hang, esp when it came to going in and out of traffic. Once I let up the guy driving it caught up and ask what the hp on that and I yelled it out to him and he yells back what the hell I have more then that and I could stay with you. My reply was well your car is a 1,000 pounds heavier, he nods and says will that would be the problem.

Zeus 09-09-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 900959)
It's a nice car but IMO it doesn't compare. It's a sedan while the camaro is a sports coupe. I had one those cars try to keep up with me in chicago and it couldn't hang, esp when it came to going in and out of traffic. Once I let up the guy driving it caught up and ask what the hp on that and I yelled it out to him and he yells back what the hell I have more then that and I could stay with you. My reply was well your car is a 1,000 pounds heavier, he nods and says will that would be the problem.


C63 AMG weighs 3900lbs.


Your story is full of :bs: btw. That AMG has clocked a 3.9 0-60, and a 12.1 1/4 stock.


But its not about what it does stock, the AMG is a tuners dream because the engine it has is the same one Merc uses to put out 550+ hp. And you know how hard it is to get that out of the AMG? Try a tune.

ssump29 09-09-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 901050)
C63 AMG weighs 3900lbs.


Your story is full of :bs: btw. That AMG has clocked a 3.9 0-60, and a 12.1 1/4 stock.


But its not about what it does stock, the AMG is a tuners dream because the engine it has is the same one Merc uses to put out 550+ hp. And you know how hard it is to get that out of the AMG? Try a tune.

No the AMG weights more like 4800 lbs and clocked the 60 at 4.3. And no story my story isn't bs. And who cares about a 60 time when you are already rolling in traffic. Did you not read my encounter it was on the highway moving through traffic. He couldn't follow and move like I could, I could care less about the 1320 you are quoting. and where did you get your numbers even mercedes doesn't quote those.

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/usa/inde...oom/models/c63

yeah check it out before typing false info.

Crowley 09-09-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901077)
No the AMG weights more like 4800 lbs and clocked the 60 at 4.3. And no story my story isn't bs. And who cares about a 60 time when you are already rolling in traffic. Did you not read my encounter it was on the highway moving through traffic. He couldn't follow and move like I could, I could care less about the 1320 you are quoting. and where did you get your numbers even mercedes doesn't quote those.

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/usa/inde...oom/models/c63

yeah check it out before typing false info.

LOL I call BS as well ..

http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes...specifications

You should read your own link .. curb weight is 3814lbs ... 0-60 in 4.3 ... I think maybe that guy couldn't drive or it wasn't and AMG.


Motortrend data on 2008 c63 AMG

Curb weight 4004 lb
Weight dist., f/r 53/47 %
Seating capacity 5
TEST DATA
Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.3
0-50 3.2
0-60 4.1
0-70 5.3
0-80 6.6
0-90 8.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.0 sec
Quarter mile 12.5 sec @ 113.5 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 103 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.95 g (avg)
MT figure eight 24.9 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)

Crowley

Zeus 09-09-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901077)
No the AMG weights more like 4800 lbs and clocked the 60 at 4.3. And no story my story isn't bs. And who cares about a 60 time when you are already rolling in traffic. Did you not read my encounter it was on the highway moving through traffic. He couldn't follow and move like I could, I could care less about the 1320 you are quoting. and where did you get your numbers even mercedes doesn't quote those.

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/usa/inde...oom/models/c63

yeah check it out before typing false info.

Mercedes, like Porsche/BMW, tend to quote some odd numbers for spec sheets. In the real world, their cars perform better.



http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...ag-Racing.html


Drag times.


http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes-benz-c-63-amg.html


Weight.


http://www.autospies.com/news/Sorry-...t-lived-22359/

0-60.




SO you dont care about weight (which you were wrong about), and you dont care about 0-60 (wrong again) or the 1/4, so you'd rather us ignore the numbers that people have reproduced in the real world so that we will take your personal testimony as fact?



Sorry. Not going to happen. You probably raced an E550. The C63 would have won big time.

zebra 09-09-2009 11:21 AM

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ssump29 09-09-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowley (Post 901106)
LOL I call BS as well ..

http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes...specifications

You should read your own link .. curb weight is 3814lbs ... 0-60 in 4.3 ... I think maybe that guy couldn't drive or it wasn't and AMG.


Motortrend data on 2008 c63 AMG

Curb weight 4004 lb
Weight dist., f/r 53/47 %
Seating capacity 5
TEST DATA
Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.3
0-50 3.2
0-60 4.1
0-70 5.3
0-80 6.6
0-90 8.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.0 sec
Quarter mile 12.5 sec @ 113.5 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 103 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.95 g (avg)
MT figure eight 24.9 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)

Crowley

No it was an AMG I know cars, so theres no need to act like you guys know everything and everyone else is wrong. Sorry I looked at total weight, an honest mistake. The fact is the car still wasn't moving that great and wasn't as nimble. So having 25 more hp and weighing 100 lbs more isn't quite the advantage when moving like we were. If the guy couldn't drive sorry for him but he was hitting all the ins and outs just the same.

My point is, its a nice sedan but I don't think it runs as nice as a nice coupe which is what the Camaro is. Given they are about the same in performance. having 23 more TQ and 25 more hp and weighing 65 lbs more doesn't mean its just flat out a better performer and can't be beat by a stock Camaro, when more then likely it was a stock AMG also.

ssump29 09-09-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 901140)
Mercedes, like Porsche/BMW, tend to quote some odd numbers for spec sheets. In the real world, their cars perform better.



http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...ag-Racing.html


Drag times.


http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes-benz-c-63-amg.html


Weight.


http://www.autospies.com/news/Sorry-...t-lived-22359/

0-60.




SO you dont care about weight (which you were wrong about), and you dont care about 0-60 (wrong again) or the 1/4, so you'd rather us ignore the numbers that people have reproduced in the real world so that we will take your personal testimony as fact?



Sorry. Not going to happen. You probably raced an E550. The C63 would have won big time.

WAIT A MINTUE so now EVERY driver in the REAL WORLD like you put it are going to go out and get the same results as professional drivers? Why don't you find real world people who drive these cars and let me know what they are getting out of these cars. This the GT500 VS SS debate all over again. I simply give you an encounterment I had and you flat out tell me I'm wrong and it didn't happen. Right because the GT500 ran a 12.8 by one mag and another got a 11.9 so normal everyday drivers of this car are gonna get the best results. Who are you kidding, I'm not claiming to be a pro driver and I'm claiming the guy that was running with me was one either so why is it so hard for you to believe that the average person driving these cars can't beat one another?

So once again I'm going by MY experience and you want ME to go by what your MAG puts out. Thats like going and test driving a car and doing what you are capable of but ignoring that fact because a pro driver says it can do better. That may be the truth but thats what the select few will be able to do with it not the masses so thats not a true representation of what the car will do in most people hands.

Zeus 09-09-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901181)
No it was an AMG I know cars, so theres no need to act like you guys know everything and everyone else is wrong. Sorry I looked at total weight, an honest mistake. The fact is the car still wasn't moving that great and wasn't as nimble. So having 25 more hp and weighing 100 lbs more isn't quite the advantage when moving like we were. If the guy couldn't drive sorry for him but he was hitting all the ins and outs just the same.

My point is, its a nice sedan but I don't think it runs as nice as a nice coupe which is what the Camaro is. Given they are about the same in performance. having 23 more TQ and 25 more hp and weighing 65 lbs more doesn't mean its just flat out a better performer and can't be beat by a stock Camaro, when more then likely it was a stock AMG also.



It runs much better than the Camaro even in ''coupe'' form. Its faster in a straight line, and even though its only about +30hp +25lbft the car runs much stronger than the numbers would suggest and (like noted above) with a $400 tune your going to be running M5's and CTS-V's off the road. On top of that its more nimble with better steering, which I can personally confirm.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901226)
WAIT A MINTUE so now EVERY driver in the REAL WORLD like you put it are going to go out and get the same results as professional drivers? Why don't you find real world people who drive these cars and let me know what they are getting out of these cars. This the GT500 VS SS debate all over again. I simply give you an encounterment I had and you flat out tell me I'm wrong and it didn't happen. Right because the GT500 ran a 12.8 by one mag and another got a 11.9 so normal everyday drivers of this car are gonna get the best results. Who are you kidding, I'm not claiming to be a pro driver and I'm claiming the guy that was running with me was one either so why is it so hard for you to believe that the average person driving these cars can't beat one another?

Id venture to say that people who OWN the car and are USED to running it are going to be doing a better job than a journalist who gets the car for 3 hours. I dont believe you could have beat him because the BEST numbers for the SS still loose to the WORST numbers for the AMG.

So once again I'm going by MY experience and you want ME to go by what your MAG puts out. Thats like going and test driving a car and doing what you are capable of but ignoring that fact because a pro driver says it can do better. That may be the truth but thats what the select few will be able to do with it not the masses so thats not a true representation of what the car will do in most people hands.

Im not trying to convince you, im trying to prove to the OP that your wrong for the sake of his comparison.


k.

usmcbmw 09-09-2009 11:38 AM

c63 all the way

1320junkie 09-09-2009 11:43 AM

benchracing....ohhhh yeah!!!!

put Equal drivers in both cars and the C63 wins

ssump29 09-09-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 901233)
It runs much better than the Camaro even in ''coupe'' form. Its faster in a straight line, and even though its only about +30hp +25lbft the car runs much stronger than the numbers would suggest and (like noted above) with a $400 tune your going to be running M5's and CTS-V's off the road. On top of that its more nimble with better steering, which I can personally confirm.

What part of this stock do you not understand. Why do you keep bringing up a tune. I never said anything about tuning or dynoing it. I'm talking about taking it out in stock form. It's a DRIVER'S race, whats so hard to understand about that. ohhhh forget it. Love the C 63 and be blind to everything I have presented it makes no diff to me. It's a great car, lets leave it at that.

Zeus 09-09-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901255)
What part of this stock do you not understand. Why do you keep bringing up a tune. I never said anything about tuning or dynoing it. I'm talking about taking it out in stock form. It's a DRIVER'S race, whats so hard to understand about that. ohhhh forget it. Love the C 63 and be blind to everything I have presented it makes no diff to me. It's a great car, lets leave it at that.


Its not a drivers race. Like I said before, the worst numbers for the AMG are still better than the best for the SS.


Game over.

ssump29 09-09-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie (Post 901253)
benchracing....ohhhh yeah!!!!

put Equal drivers in both cars and the C63 wins

I agree junkie and I never once said the C63 loses to the Camaro everytime or anything along those lines. I simply stated an encounter I had with one and then Zeus and Cowley went off with all the benchracing stats. I just providing stats in my post to make a point that the numbers aren't that far off each other and depending on who is driving is the difference. Thats all I was saying. More then less I just wanted to express my experience against one. Thats all I'm saying, there was no need for Crowley or Zeus to start the attacks on me.

Zeus 09-09-2009 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ssump29 (Post 901274)
I agree junkie and I never once said the C63 loses to the Camaro everytime or anything along those lines. I simply stated an encounter I had with one and then Zeus and Cowley went off with all the benchracing stats. I just providing stats in my post to make a point that the numbers aren't that far off each other and depending on who is driving is the difference. Thats all I was saying. More then less I just wanted to express my experience against one. Thats all I'm saying, there was no need for Crowley or Zeus to start the attacks on me.

No attacks here, unless the truth hurts. Like I noted before, I was chiming in for the sake of the OP who wanted an honest comparison.

ssump29 09-09-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus (Post 901283)
No attacks here, unless the truth hurts. Like I noted before, I was chiming in for the sake of the OP who wanted an honest comparison.

The truth is you want to keep talking about racing in a straight line when I already stated from my very first post that we were on the highway moving in and out of traffic. So all your straight-line numbers and not factoring in any other variables doesn't mean jack if one person can't handle the car like another car handles their's. Power means nothing when you just can't only drive in a straight line. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND about my story. IT WASN'T FROM A DIG and it wasn't straight line driving.

zebra 09-09-2009 12:06 PM

this just keeps getting better...
:popcorn: :popcorn:

WeeZee 09-09-2009 12:22 PM

Any Benz with AMG on the back is better than most American cars, high end German cars are superior !!!


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