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rayainsw 09-24-2009 02:13 PM

[ NOT a poll ] What will the 'base' Z28 price be?
 
The concept of a Z28 with a 550-ish HP \ TQ version of the CTS-v’s LSA motor intrigues me. If available with a 6L90 automatic trans.

A base 2010 Camaro V8 \ 1SS is $31,595 – including destination.

A 2009 base CTS-v
[ I choose the 2009 here, because the 2010 is essentially unchanged, except for a bump in MSRP – exactly reflecting the fact that the navigation system becomes standard for 2010 ]
started at $59K, including destination.

A 2009 CTS with equipment comparable to a CTS-v is close to $50K. Thus, the ‘bump’ to CTS-v equipment [ motor & trans upgrades, wheels & tires, brakes, interior trim upgrades, MagRide suspension upgrade, etc ] is a bit less than $10K.

So – assuming that:
One - a navigation system is not standard on the Z28
Two – the six speed manual trans is standard
Three – the Z28 equipment level
[ interior, wheels, tires, brakes, etc. ]
is roughly comparable to a 2SS, priced @ approx. $34K
Four – the ‘other’ Camaro prices are not significantly higher in late 2011, when the Z28 actually arrives – roughly 2 years from now.

I expect that the mechanical upgrades, outside the motor & trans., will be somewhat less dramatic [ and costly ] than the equivalent upgrades between CTS & CTS-v. The MagRide, for example, is expensive & I believe unlikely to be in a Z28. The base CTS was aimed more at luxury & comfort than performance – where the Camaro is the reverse.

I therefore [ fearlessly ] predict that a ‘base’ Z28, with LSA derived S/C motor & 6 speed manual trans, will have an MSRP between $40K and $42K.

Perhaps as much as $43K, if there is some general GM \ Camaro price rise over that time period.

And an aggressive base MSRP would be $39,995.

The way I would order one = with 6L90 & sunroof,
I expect would likely list between $43K & $45K.

If that is the MSRP, I will look very seriously at buying one –
say, in about 2.5 to 3 years – when I expect that the Actual Transaction Price will be close to MSRP.

I could be wrong.
[ Ask my ex-wife. ]
- Ray
Happy to drive a G8 GT for another 2.5 or 3 years . . .

ShnOmac 09-24-2009 02:17 PM

I am not going to guess because we have no idea what the Z/28 is going to be....

alrox 09-24-2009 02:21 PM

It will be around $50,000-$52,000, on par with the GT500 and right below a base 2012 Corvette's price. Odds on that are 50/50 ATM.

There are a lot if IF's and AND's in there, but it won't be priced anywhere in the $40,000's.

rayainsw 09-24-2009 02:24 PM

based on?
 
Based on what, exactly?

Quote:

Originally Posted by alrox (Post 964310)
It will be around $50,000-$52,000, on par with the GT500 and right below a base 2012 Corvette's price. Assuming Obama doesn't cause Zimbabwe level inflation in the next 2 years of course. Odds on that are 50/50 ATM.

There are a lot if IF's and AND's in there, but it won't be priced anywhere in the $40,000's.


Revo1 09-24-2009 02:39 PM

I hope it stays that low... One thing on GM's mind could actually be the CTS-V... If you can get a Z28 for under 40, why pay 59 for a very similar package in the CTS-V?... On a side note, if the Z28 does stay down closer to 40, then I'll definitely be looking. An extra 10k for the supercharger and the appearance package I saw on the front of Motor Trend is totally worth it in my book...

Crowley 09-24-2009 02:46 PM

I'm going to say base price is going to be about 48k. It won't be as expensive as the CTS-V because it won't have a lot of the same components of the V .. hopefully that will keep the costs down.

Crowley

ssump29 09-24-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowley (Post 964394)
I'm going to say base price is going to be about 48k. It won't be as expensive as the CTS-V because it won't have a lot of the same components of the V .. hopefully that will keep the costs down.

Crowley

I'm going to agree with this one. It will have the power aspect, but as far as refining the suspension and super upgrades within the car, they will keep that to the bare min to get the car by.

RicMic 09-24-2009 03:04 PM

To stay competitive...
 
It would have to start at less than 45K.

2010-1SS-IBM 09-24-2009 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayainsw (Post 964271)
I therefore [ fearlessly ] predict that a ‘base’ Z28, with LSA derived S/C motor & 6 speed manual trans, will have an MSRP between $40K and $42K.

Perhaps as much as $43K, if there is some general GM \ Camaro price rise over that time period.

And an aggressive base MSRP would be $39,995.

I'm with you on this. I agree with your points, and I'd add that IMO one of the big reasons the Camaro is doing so well is the price/performance ratio for the Camaro is really good. If GM is paying attention they won't want to buck that trend, but instead ride it all the way to the finish line.

DarricSS 09-24-2009 03:30 PM

Priced under the Corvette and GT500 to keep it competive in the market. Won't have the nice stuff available to the SS just looks, power and handling...

45K

alrox 09-24-2009 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayainsw (Post 964319)
Based on what, exactly?

The exact price of what a GT500 and Corvette will be in 2012, if/when a Z28 is released.

Right now, 2SS+RS is $36,000. You will not be able to buy a top of the line model Z28 with equivalent 1SS non RS trim. People simply don't want 'nothing' on their expensive, top of the line car.

Add in 2 years of inflation, yearly price increases and overall 'worth' of an upgraded package and you're looking at $15k over a current 2SS+RS easily.

toehead93 09-24-2009 03:39 PM

Over 42K and under 48K for the Z28.

ShnOmac 09-24-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alrox (Post 964582)
You will not be able to buy a top of the line model Z28 with equivalent 1SS non RS trim. People simply don't want 'nothing' on their expensive, top of the line car.



Thats your opinion... you cant speak for everyone :thumbsup:
I would love to have a Z/28 that has cloth non-powered seats, a basic 4 speakers stero system, less sound deadening material etc etc... The Z/28 is a "race" car first IMHO.

Now Im not saying all Z/28's should be that way but It would be nice if they had 2 models.... But that may not be financially feasible.

alrox 09-24-2009 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 964643)

Thats your opinion... you cant speak for everyone :thumbsup:
I would love to have a Z/28 that has cloth non-powered seats, a basic 4 speakers stero system, less sound deadening material etc etc... The Z/28 is a "race" car first IMHO.

Sorry, but that's 1960's thinking that cost GM billions of dollars over the past few decades. For them to even try to compete in this world, they need to cut costs. One way to do that is stop catering to minorities who force them to carry more than 1 part that does the same function.

If most people want leather and HID's, then everyone who buys the car gets them. It will force the consumer to be upsold to the more expensive car, thus resulting in more $ for GM and less money wasted one low production parts.

radz28 09-24-2009 03:59 PM

Base = $46K

Standard 2SS trim with HUD and any extras as options.

ShnOmac 09-24-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alrox (Post 964669)
Sorry, but that's 1960's thinking that cost GM billions of dollars over the past few decades. For them to even try to compete in this world, they need to cut costs. One way to do that is stop catering to minorities who force them to carry more than 1 part that does the same function.


We already have the parts... Im not talking about anything new. Think LT models :thumbsup:

Legend 09-24-2009 04:06 PM

Start at $48K (1SS trim) and will go all the way to $60K (2SS trim plus extras). I'd think for a 2SS trim level Z/28...around $52K and no other additions.

alrox 09-24-2009 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 964683)
We already have the parts... Im not talking about anything new. Think LT models :thumbsup:

The take on those parts is very low. The LS exists only to advertise a low MSRP. Sure a dealer will sell you an LS, but he most likely won't have one of the lot. What he does have is a nicely equipped 2LT+RS automatic for 30k. In the average consumers mind, he's only paying $23k because that's what was advertised and not his full payment.


In order to make more $, they need to sell the ones that make them the most $. The people that buy $50,000 cars aren't hurting for cash. You don't even give the option to save 2-3k on a cheaper model. It hurts your bottom line.

ShnOmac 09-24-2009 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alrox (Post 964715)
The take on those parts is very low. The LS exists only to advertise a low MSRP. Sure a dealer will sell you an LT, but he most likely won't have one of the lot. What he does have is a nicely equipped 2LT+RS automatic for 30k. In the average consumers mind, he's only paying $23k because that's what was advertised and not his full payment.


In order to make more $, they need to sell the ones that make them the most $. The people that buy $50,000 cars aren't hurting for cash. You don't even give the option to save 2-3k on a cheaper model. It hurts your bottom line.

There are quite a few LS's and LT's on this forum alone....
To each their own and like I said thats just my opinion :thumbsup:

radz28 09-24-2009 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alrox (Post 964669)
Sorry, but that's 1960's thinking that cost GM billions of dollars over the past few decades. For them to even try to compete in this world, they need to cut costs. One way to do that is stop catering to minorities who force them to carry more than 1 part that does the same function.

If most people want leather and HID's, then everyone who buys the car gets them. It will force the consumer to be upsold to the more expensive car, thus resulting in more $ for GM and less money wasted one low production parts.

I agree with much of this. Though I don't want everything, I'd like to see the option to get what I want. I definately want HIDs and leather; HUD would be cool, but it's going to really stretch my budget as it is; assuming I'm even close to the ballpark.

DGthe3 09-24-2009 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicMic (Post 964462)
It would have to start at less than 45K.

Why? If the LS is more expensive than the base V6 mustang, the 1LT is more expensive than the V6 premium, the SS is more expensive than the GT, why in the world would the Z28 have to be less expensive than the GT500?

I figure that the Z28 will end up with a sticker starting at $52,500 (give or take $2500). By then, the CTS-V will have also gone up in price, along with the Corvette and GT500. If they de-content the car down to a base LS model, but with a top-grade power train and suspension we might see it in the low 40's. But since top of the line models these days have to have practically everything that lesser cars have and more, I highly doubt this would happen.

brandotron 09-24-2009 04:24 PM

If this thing starts under 45, I'm there. Fingers crossed!

radz28 09-24-2009 04:27 PM

I hope Killers' wrong, but those look like "reasonable" numbers.

ShnOmac 09-24-2009 04:31 PM

Well CTS-V base price is $58,575 .... So you figure minus some luxurys out of that and there ya go. Not so technical now is it.... :laugh:

rickerda 09-24-2009 04:51 PM

Unless GM changes direction, we should expect to see at least two trim levels on the Z28. One would be a bare bone pure muscle and the other fully loaded top end version. As for price, again I would predict GM’s behavior, based on their prior behavior, I think we can safely assume they will want to under price both the GT 500 and the SRT8 and still provide better performance and more horsepower.


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