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radz28 09-30-2009 01:55 PM

Please put XXX engine in Z28
 
I just looked, and noticed there wasn't a poll for an engine for Z28 yet, so I thought it'd be nice to see what many of you thought, and how the community, on the whole, felt. This poll is not about arguing why, per se, GM should install XXX engine, more of what you guys would like to see in it, for whatever reasons. I'd encourage a brief description since this topic's been beat-up pretty good in related posts. I just figured it'd be easier to see in a dedicated topic. It's my understanding LS7 is going away, however, in light of Mr. Al Oppenheiser's statements regarding Z28 a few months ago, and knowing the support of many it has here, I added it. Also, with the annoucement of a possible FI'd high-performance V6 being considered, I included that too.

Let's assume Z28 will be the last high-performance model to the line-up (but not necessarily the last performance option, like adding a Track Pack package as an option, or something along those lines). Let's consider Z28 the "Top Dog" Camaro. Let's also assume that we're going to keep Z28 within the price range of the Ford Mustang GT500. I don't want to say that it will be a direct competitor, because I know many friends here are looking for a traditional Z28 that can turn, so I just want it to match the 500 in price.

There's no privacy in this poll, so your selection will be public. If you guys prefer to not have your choices public, let me know and I'll change it.

LS9 - Carryover from ZR1; not as much power, but more than LSA
LSA - Carryover from CTS-V
LS9/LSA Hybrid - An LSA with LS9 pistons; maybe LS9 cam; LS9 supercharger; etc.
Gen V - Largely unknown; probably at least 450 horse'; Direct Injection 6.2L
SC'd/TC'd V6 - Think LLT twin turbo, for example
LS7 - Carryover from Z06; around 500 horse'

What do you think? :wave::iono::D

Camaro509 09-30-2009 01:57 PM

I'd be happy with the LS7/9/A, any one of them to be honest.

ShnOmac 09-30-2009 01:59 PM

To me it depends on what the Z/28 is.... Is it the only other Camaro we are getting? Does it need to be a end all monster or just a track star? If we are getting a Z/28 and LZ1... Then I would like the Z/28 to be a N/A engine and the LZ1 to be a supercharged engine. By the way I am just throwing names out there since we have no Idea what is coming!

radz28 09-30-2009 02:00 PM

D@mnit! Let me breathe :) I'll be more specific...

Updated poll...

I'm in for a hybrid. I agree that forged pistons should be acceptable for Z28 because I don't think many are going to complain if there's a little more noise on cold start-up. I'd like the confidence of knowing there are forged slugs in the engine so I can crank up the power a little more. I don't think it'd hurt to upgrade the rod bolts and if there are some through GMPP, I can't see that there'd be too great an expense for that change. Finally, throw on the 2300 from the 'Vette. Though it looks like the LSA Intercooler/Supercharger assembly will fit fine under the hood, it looks like LS9 will too. It'd be nice to have a little more headroom, power-wise too. I think it'd help position the power level to more between LSA and LS9, which I think would be nice too. It sounds like the GT500 is going to be upgrading in the next couple years, and we know the weight of Z28 wouldn't get much better if GM goes with an SC'd engine, so maybe getting closer to 600 FWHP would insure it stays ahead of the 500. However, if it adds to cost, considerably, just leave the LSA as-is, with the 1900.

RSHugger 09-30-2009 02:07 PM

LSA... small displacement, large horsepower... keeping in sync with the original Z28 philosophy. If it came with the LS7 then to me it would sound more "SS" than "Z28"... but that is just me and my old school thinking.

Crowley 09-30-2009 02:10 PM

The LS9 would be the logical choice I think or some derivative of it. If it will be a direct competitor of the GT500, it needs to be a fully built engine ..

Crowley

linkwpc 09-30-2009 02:17 PM

Where is the LS7 on your poll?

radz28 09-30-2009 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkwpc (Post 987657)
Where is the LS7 on your poll?

I added it, mostly because of the somewhat statement from Mr. Oppenheiser. I know that many people here also support it a LOT. Additionally, it probably speaks to the heritage the 1st Gen cars. I know Z28s never had 427s, but the baddest (IMO) Camaros had 427s, and the LS7 represents probably the lightest alternative, and makes the most sense toward making Z28 a corner-carver.

Thanks for the suggestion because I orginally wasn't going to add it. I realized that I was eliminating options for probably half of the people who'd love to see Z28 come back.

GTAHVIT 09-30-2009 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowley (Post 987632)
The LS9 would be the logical choice I think or some derivative of it. If it will be a direct competitor of the GT500, it needs to be a fully built engine ..

Crowley

Agreed.

LS9 :thumbsup:

GM4lyfe 09-30-2009 02:32 PM

I have to think about this one, hard decision. LS9 or LSA, humm.

ShnOmac 09-30-2009 02:39 PM

You know how this poll is going to end up. most of the votes are going to be for the biggest power. Thats not the heritage of the Z/28....... Myabe instead of debating what engines we would like to see we should be debating what models we would like to see :D

GTAHVIT 09-30-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 987749)
You know how this poll is going to end up. most of the votes are going to be for the biggest power. Thats not the heritage of the Z/28....... Myabe instead of debating what engines we would like to see we should be debating what models we would like to see :D

BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


I WANT MOOOAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

:D

No, serioulsy. I think GM can figure out where to draw the line between heritage and performance driven models. I think the bottome line is hopefully we can show GM that, on some level, there are a few of us that want the LS9... How they package and brand it is a different converation for sure.

:thumbsup:

99-LS1-SS 09-30-2009 02:45 PM

I would LOVE it if they put the LS9 in the Z/28 but I doubt we'll get that lucky. I'd be happy with the LSA or LS7 motor.

ShnOmac 09-30-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 987763)
BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


I WANT MOOOAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
there are a few of us that want the LS9... How they package and brand it is a different converation for sure.

:thumbsup:

Maybe that is the conversation we should be having??? Why limit ourselves to just ONE preformance Camaro???

radz28 09-30-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 987749)
You know how this poll is going to end up. most of the votes are going to be for the biggest power. Thats not the heritage of the Z/28....... Myabe instead of debating what engines we would like to see we should be debating what models we would like to see :D

You know, it seems like I participate in different threads on that subject, at least once a week. It's not like I don't mind, otherwise I wouldn't. I just thought the engine represents the heart of the car, probably, more than anything else. What good is a car that handles well, but doesn't have significant enough power to put that handling to use? I'm not suggesting that power is the end-all-be-all; that's why I said significant :D I think SS has the b@lls, power-wise, to put any aftermarket set-up to the test and it would pretty much kill a Mustang GT with a Track Pack, but I just think the engine is the soul of the car. No one raves about a car without mention of the powerplant.

I'm seeing what you're saying in the results though. I, personally, don't think an LS9 is in the cards if Z28 is going to be in the same price range as the 500, but I hope I'm wrong. If we could get a 600 horse' LS9 in Z28, I'd probably sh*t my pants; I just can't really see that happening, considering everything else that would probably be upgraded.

I kinda' want to change my vote now, lol :thumbsup:

GTAHVIT 09-30-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 987773)
Maybe that is the conversation we should be having??? Why limit ourselves to just ONE preformance Camaro???

I agree that conversation is a good one. And I think if a ZL1 option is on the table at GM the LS9 is a better fit from a heritage perspective...

And another engine works as a Z28. :iono:

But we have only heard of the Z28... and if I can have it my way I want the LS9... I do understand that it doesn't really fit the heritage of said model....

but I think I can deal with it..... If I HAVE to.... ;) :laugh:

99-LS1-SS 09-30-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 987763)
BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


I WANT MOOOAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

:D

No, serioulsy. I think GM can figure out where to draw the line between heritage and performance driven models. I think the bottome line is hopefully we can show GM that, on some level, there are a few of us that want the LS9... How they package and brand it is a different converation for sure.

:thumbsup:

Ed Zappley!

ShnOmac 09-30-2009 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz282003 (Post 987784)
I just thought the engine represents the heart of the car, probably, more than anything else.

I'm seeing what you're saying in the results though. I, personally, don't think an LS9 is in the cards if Z28 is going to be in the same price range as the 500, but I hope I'm wrong. If we could get a 600 horse' LS9 in Z28, I'd probably sh*t my pants; I just can't really see that happening, considering everything else that would probably be upgraded.

I kinda' want to change my vote now, lol :thumbsup:


I agree that the engine is the heart of the car! I also think the engine has to match the end goal..... :thumbsup:

Dont change your vote go with what you want! :laugh:

99-LS1-SS 09-30-2009 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 987814)
I agree that the engine is the heart of the car! I also think the engine has to match the end goal..... :thumbsup:

Dont change your vote go with what you want! :laugh:

That is a good point. I won't be carving too many canyon roads especially since I don't live in the mountains and I really don't want to go flying off into the woods in my fancy Z/28. :D

When the news of the Z/28 possibly starting back up came out I would have never thought anyone would even consider arguing against the LSA/LS9 motors. But, given the heritage of the Z/28 and other versions, I now think that GM should consider multiple options. I'm not overly interested in a track geared car as much as I'm interested in a drag geared car but, I can see how someone wouldn't want the same as me.

My only issue will be that IF they did make a track car and not put a supercharged motor in the car then it wouldn't be worth it TO ME to get that car. I'm in it for the power. :burnrubber: :evil: :burnrubber:

D1BADZ 09-30-2009 04:14 PM

OH XXX sounds like a dirty engine . lolz

Iroczlover 09-30-2009 05:18 PM

an LS9 Z/28 Vert would be in my garage even if I have to sell the husband & the kids

PolishMike 09-30-2009 05:24 PM

LS9 hands down. I think its the only thing that would make sense. Its the only engine that they could drop right in and not have to re-engineer that would make it worth getting a Z28.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 09-30-2009 05:27 PM

I hope that it has the New 6 bolt design heads and block so I can crank up the power a lot more, So a LSX motor for me.

Mr. Wyndham 09-30-2009 09:17 PM

LSA or Gen V...(frankly, I'm surprised the poll isn't 90% slanted towards the GenVs...:iono:

I would like to see an LS9 (as we all would, :laugh:), or a "hybrid". But the former is too expensive, and the latter is unlikely.......

Number 3 09-30-2009 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 987773)
Maybe that is the conversation we should be having??? Why limit ourselves to just ONE preformance Camaro???

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