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Emher 06-11-2008 02:21 PM

Mustang comparison, disciples pay special attention please!
 
So today I went by a car firm that specializes on imported and more exclusive cars and thus have nice things like Corvettes, assorted Chevys and loooots of Mustangs. Anyway I just went by to check out a Mustang because I've never really had a sit in a muscle or pony car in adult age and thus thought I should.

First off, I have not converted, I'm still a GM guy, but around here anything American is pretty exciting (I even got a bit tingly about the Malibu Hybrid they had at the place). Now to my impressions:

I took a sit in the Bullitt Mustang and I have to say I quite liked it. I already like the look of the Bullitt and thought the interior was nicely styled to fit the exterior. But first I made an ass out of myself when trying to adjust the seat. I'm so used to my old Saab that I looked for a lever and kindly got pointed to the button that you shifted in different directions. Anyways in the seat, door closed (hey the windows shifted up when I close the door wtf? oh okay to close the door better). I fit pretty well in the seat, surprised that a big guy like me had some space to move around actually, used to not really fitting that well in most cars. Felt the wheel, the shifter and the pedals. Looked around, pretty good view. Rear view mirror a bit in the way though. Oh well not as bad as my dads Prius. Only real reason that I didn't take it for a spin was that I didn't have the time.

In conclusion I have to say I quite liked my first hand-son enqouenter with a modern American car with a V8.


Now the questions begin though. To the people who have encountered the 5th gen, and most certainly the disciples, how does it compare to the Mustang? And no not the obivous stuff like engine power etc, if I bought a Mustang it would be to hold me over to the top Camaro in a few years time, but more like how you fit in it, how is it sizewise on the outside?

I'm also intrested in hearing about comparisons to 4th gens and such.

radz28 06-11-2008 02:33 PM

I windows on a lot of cars without window frames crack a little when you open the door and then seal back up when you close them. I think it's a great idea so you don't have to slam the door if the car is sealed good :)

z28collection 06-11-2008 04:08 PM

windows
 
i think ive seen that feature on a BMW before.

Bumble Bee '77 06-11-2008 04:30 PM

My moms mini cooper did that too. When opening and closing the doors. And I have taken a 2007 Mustang GT for a spin and I have to say my 4th gen handles a hell of a lot better. Much firmer steering and control. Didn't really care for the giant turn signal lever. <I'm kinda picky on things like that, plus it was loud when it clicked, drove me nuts> The ride wasn't as smooth as my 4th gen either. And maybe its just me but I didn't think off the line that it had as much power. BTW my 4th gen is a 3.8L V6. But thats just my opinion. :)

Omega94 06-11-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumble Bee '77 (Post 77564)
My moms mini cooper did that too. When opening and closing the doors. And I have taken a 2007 Mustang GT for a spin and I have to say my 4th gen handles a hell of a lot better. Much firmer steering and control. Didn't really care for the giant turn signal lever. <I'm kinda picky on things like that, plus it was loud when it clicked, drove me nuts> The ride wasn't as smooth as my 4th gen either. And maybe its just me but I didn't think off the line that it had as much power. BTW my 4th gen is a 3.8L V6. But thats just my opinion. :)

I recently drove a co-worker's Mustang and I enjoyed the idea of the windows, too! I also have to say that my 4th Gen felt like it handled way better, too. Her V6 Mustang had more pick-up than my Camaro though...however I'm workin' with the old 3.4l V6...and not the 3.8l. But the 4th Gen's stick to the ground way better.:thumbsup:

Congoman775 06-11-2008 08:31 PM

ive driven my friends 06' GT as well as brutalized a V6 rental car for a week and have to say.. the steering is what kills it. GREAT pickup and engine sound in both cars (even the V6. i was suprised) , but the steering kills it. my Accord handles better.

Chevyrocker 06-11-2008 08:39 PM

That "window" thing is called indexing glass. It is typically seen on high end cars but has started making it's way down the line. It is there to help creat a better seal and prevent extra wind noise. The Corvette's all have this feature and I'm hoping the Camaro will as well. As far as interior room in concerned, from what I've read and been told, it will be quite roomy. I spoke with a gentleman who was a bit overweight and 6'3" and he said that he fit just fine in the Camaro, so you should have no problem.

Captain Awesome 06-11-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jsenn (Post 77661)
That "window" thing is called indexing glass. It is typically seen on high end cars but has started making it's way down the line. It is there to help creat a better seal and prevent extra wind noise. The Corvette's all have this feature and I'm hoping the Camaro will as well. As far as interior room in concerned, from what I've read and been told, it will be quite roomy. I spoke with a gentleman who was a bit overweight and 6'3" and he said that he fit just fine in the Camaro, so you should have no problem.


I'm too lazy to search but someone in one of the threads said the new Camaro has window "indexing" (or is that windex?).

I remember it was in one of the threads about the IVER camaro with the dark tinted windows that made a surprise appearance at an F-Body meetup.

Pretty sure we're going to get that!

On another note... I was behind a C6 today I think for the first time and noticed the turn signals were "sequential". The inboard lamp would light followed by the outboard lamp. So the lights "move" in sequence to show turn direction. Like the '69 Cougar used to have (only that had 3 lamps not two). Is that standard on the 'vette???

Emher 06-12-2008 10:34 AM

Good to hear about the windows, really liked that little feature.

And also good to hear about the roominess jsenn, I'm 6'3 and a bit overweight as well myself (making progress on the latter but I can't chop off my legs now can I?). Was however pleasntly surprised that it was actually asier to step into then my Saab that is a good six inches higher, and this is a good sign to me regarding the Camaro since it should be just slightly lower.

I will have to test drive a Mustang GT at some point. It will probably be a quite a bit better then my worn out Saab (not to mention having double the cylinders and horsepower), but it will make for good comparison to when I test drive the Camaro.

radz28 06-12-2008 11:32 AM

Hmm... I never noticed the sequential turn signals on C6s, but in my area, no one uses turn signals, so I'm not that suprised.

cannondalerider 06-12-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 77678)
I'm too lazy to search but someone in one of the threads said the new Camaro has window "indexing" (or is that windex?).

I remember it was in one of the threads about the IVER camaro with the dark tinted windows that made a surprise appearance at an F-Body meetup.

Pretty sure we're going to get that!

On another note... I was behind a C6 today I think for the first time and noticed the turn signals were "sequential". The inboard lamp would light followed by the outboard lamp. So the lights "move" in sequence to show turn direction. Like the '69 Cougar used to have (only that had 3 lamps not two). Is that standard on the 'vette???

Unfortunately, sequentials are illegal, however there are aftermarket companies that make kits to do it. They were outlawed in the early 70's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Turn_signals

radz28 06-12-2008 03:10 PM

Are they illegal for the OEMs to do, or illegal period?...

Captain Awesome 06-12-2008 10:11 PM

It sounds like another case of the government telling us we can't do something for no good reason.

First it's sequential turn signals, next it's outlawing incandescent bulbs.

What's next?

radz28 06-13-2008 09:10 AM

No Camaros...

Emher 06-13-2008 10:00 AM

Guys, perhaps getting a bit off topic here...

Moose 06-13-2008 10:16 AM

Unfortunately I'm not one of the "disciples", but I've had the opportunity to sit in both the current Mustang, as well as the Concept on one occassion.

My personal observations are the following;

Interior

- The styling of the Camaro is far superior in looks versus the Mustang.
- Headroom is not an issue in the Camaro. I'm 5'10" and fit just fine with headroom to spare.
- The seating position in the Camaro was preferable to that of the Mustang.

Exterior

- Its been said previously, but the styling of the Mustang is starting to look "dated" versus that of the Camaro.
- The Concept is wide, (similar to the Tahoe) and while I haven't seen the production version yet, it will be narrower.


If you're looking for a car to "hold you over", I would suggest saving some money by looking for a decent 4th Gen. Camaro. It'll provide the performance you're looking for, and I've seen a couple reasonable one's near home for sale. Plus, you're not "going to the dark side". :D

Hope that was of some help. ;)

Black5thgen 06-13-2008 10:34 AM

My biggest concern with the interior is shoulder room. I have very wide shoulders and in some cars my shoulder hits the door. It's pretty uncomfortable. It was bad on the C5, much better on the C6, almost perfect in our escape, and absolutly perfect in the 4th gen. Newer cars put the seats closer to the doors and it looks like the pre pro is pretty close. I hope there is at least as much shoulder room as the 4th gen.

Emher 06-13-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose (Post 78229)
Unfortunately I'm not one of the "disciples", but I've had the opportunity to sit in both the current Mustang, as well as the Concept on one occassion.

My personal observations are the following;

Interior

- The styling of the Camaro is far superior in looks versus the Mustang.
- Headroom is not an issue in the Camaro. I'm 5'10" and fit just fine with headroom to spare.
- The seating position in the Camaro was preferable to that of the Mustang.

Exterior

- Its been said previously, but the styling of the Mustang is starting to look "dated" versus that of the Camaro.
- The Concept is wide, (similar to the Tahoe) and while I haven't seen the production version yet, it will be narrower.


If you're looking for a car to "hold you over", I would suggest saving some money by looking for a decent 4th Gen. Camaro. It'll provide the performance you're looking for, and I've seen a couple reasonable one's near home for sale. Plus, you're not "going to the dark side". :D

Hope that was of some help. ;)

Okay, good points, here are my retorts to those.

Interior
-No argument there, but I think the Mustangs interior is above average.
-Good to know especially since the seating is supposed to be a bit lower even in production.
-Not exactly sure what you mean with seating position, but good to hear since I thought the seating position in the Bullitt Mustang was superb.

Exterior
-As for the Mustang being dated, not the best person to talk about with that, I love retro stuff, lol.
-I like wide :D


And actually...I'm going to Camaro hell for saying this, but I prefer the current Mustangs looks to the 4th gens looks. The 4th gen is my least favorite generation in appearance and while I'm not apposed to buying one, I'd much prefer a current Mustang. Am I'm not going to the dark side, here it's three camps, European cars, Asian cars or American cars and I'll gladly pick the latter out of those. And no I'm no fan of Ford, but the Mustang I like. Also there's the element of my dad. My dad loves the current Mustang and if i bought one to hold myself over to the Camaro I'd consider selling it to him after I was done with it.

In any case I would never do anything without test driving both the Mustang and a 4th gen. And also win the lottery at the moment, lol. This thread is mostly meant as a discussion so thanks a lot for your thoughts :)


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