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tryan2422 11-06-2009 11:16 AM

4th Gen. Z28 to 5th Gen. V6
 
Let me first start off by saying that this website is great - tons of useful info!! I can honestly say I never thought I would purchase a V6 sports car again after owning a 1995 V6 mustang(first car in high school haha)! Well how the times have changed! It is amazing the technological advances that have resulted in engineers producing a 304hp V6 engine!!!! My local dealership only had an SS on the lot when I placed my order so I have not been able to drive a 5th Gen. V6. I owned a 4th gen Z28 several years ago and I really liked the LS1 engine. However, it made more sense economically for me to opt for the V6 5th Gen. and from what I've read I'm not going to be disappointed!!! My question is can someone who has driven a 4th gen LS1 compare it to the 5th gen V6. I know this is essentially comparing apples to oranges and I realize the 4th Gen LS1 is much quicker and has more hp & torque. I just want to get a feel for what I should expect, power wise, once my baby arrives!!

Xanthos 11-06-2009 11:19 AM

I've driven both - its a bit of a different feel but I think you'll be happy.

From my experience (and I've only driven an LS1 camaro a couple times and the V6 once) the V6 obviously isn't going as fast, but it FEELS like its pulling similarly, or only slightly less. I don't really know how to explain it.

Of course, if your LS1 is modded that changes things.
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LS1_Alex 11-06-2009 01:33 PM

I test drove a v6 auto camaro and it felt much much slower then a 98 6 speed formula. The torque curves of a v8 will always make the car feel a lot faster. Having said that just about everything else was better in the v6 camaro. It drove like a caddy and was smooth and quiet inside. I also plan on getting a V6, however I'm keeping the v8 as well :)

Xanthos 11-06-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LS1_Alex (Post 1141300)
I test drove a v6 auto camaro and it felt much much slower then a 98 6 speed formula. The torque curves of a v8 will always make the car feel a lot faster. Having said that just about everything else was better in the v6 camaro. It drove like a caddy and was smooth and quiet inside. I also plan on getting a V6, however I'm keeping the v8 as well :)

Did you test drive it using tapshift and under hard, top end acceleration?

Unfortunately due to the nature of the engine (V6, not V8), it will be a lot different low end than the LS1. Top end is similar though, other than the weight difference.
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fastal 11-06-2009 02:17 PM

I've got both a 2LT/RS and a moderately modified 2000 Z28. The 2LT is my daily driver and when I pull out the Z28 it is a world of differences. The steering wheel now feels super skinny in the Z28. I definitely don't miss the hood dropping off into oblivion on the Z28. Seats are far more comfortable though my Z28 came with cloth seats. To me it feels like I'm sitting much lower in the old Camaro.

Now it is really impossible for me to compare power, a heads/cam, 12 bolt with 4.56 gears and bunch of suspension work aimed at drag racing Z28 to a stock 2LT/RS is like apples to nails ;)

When I'm asked what I think about the new Camaro I tell people it is better in every way except weight and power then my other Camaro.

Primus 11-06-2009 02:46 PM

I've owned a 1999 Pontiac Firehawk T/A and a 1994 Z28, both with 6-speed manuals. I have to say, the torque difference feels huge between the older 4th gens and my '10 1LT/RS. I almost feel like if this 2010 had a 5-speed manual instead of a 6-speed manual it would feel more powerful. Something I hate to say.

Don't get me wrong, it's great fun to drive. And fast. Just doesn't have the *punch* that the older cars had. Honestly though, you shouldn't expect it to. Go out and test drive a 2007 infinity g35s and you will have a similar driving (not interior quality) experience to what you should expect from a 2010 V6.

Mojave 11-06-2009 03:22 PM

Yeah, the punch statement is a good comparison. That is definitely missing ,but it V6 is still a blast to drive and the cornering is much better.

scrming 11-06-2009 04:44 PM

First off, Welcome!

4.10s....

Hopefully, eventually... we can do gear swaps for a reasonable about of $$$...

I'm thinking 3.73s... possibly 4.10s... 4.10s would really add a nice punch!

Oh.. and i'm pulling a 2.0 second 60' time at the track with the stock RS tires... that's not to shabby!

Xanthos 11-06-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming (Post 1142310)
First off, Welcome!

4.10s....

Hopefully, eventually... we can do gear swaps for a reasonable about of $$$...

I'm thinking 3.73s... possibly 4.10s... 4.10s would really add a nice punch!

Oh.. and i'm pulling a 2.0 second 60' time at the track with the stock RS tires... that's not to shabby!

I'm thinking 3.73s as well - still enough to get it to 60 in second gear (this was my big thing - a 2/3 shift would seriously impact 0-60 times).
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01pewterz28 11-06-2009 10:23 PM

As a current owner of a 2000 V6, 2001 Z/28 (A4), and a 2010 2LT/RS I can say I really no longer enjoy driving the 2000, or 2001 Z/28. As for power sure it's a V6 v.s V8 but my 01 Z/28 had 2.73's stock when I 1st test drove a 2010 V6 they were close since my 01 has a lower gear it was slower off the line. I have since upgraded to 3.73's in the Z/28 but I would compair the 2LT/RS close to a 4th Gen w/ 2.73's A4.

Sean

Xanthos 11-06-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 01pewterz28 (Post 1143929)
As a current owner of a 2000 V6, 2001 Z/28 (A4), and a 2010 2LT/RS I can say I really no longer enjoy driving the 2000, or 2001 Z/28. As for power sure it's a V6 v.s V8 but my 01 Z/28 had 2.73's stock when I 1st test drove a 2010 V6 they were close since my 01 has a lower gear it was slower off the line. I have since upgraded to 3.73's in the Z/28 but I would compair the 2LT/RS close to a 4th Gen w/ 2.73's A4.

Sean

I guess thats why I thought they were so close - the LS1s that I've driven were stock A4s.
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bond2 11-06-2009 11:26 PM

I owned a 2000 Trans Am A4 and I still own my '96 Trans Am WS6 (LT1). Both obviously have more torque than the Camaro's V6, so in the lower RPM ranges the V8s feel more powerful for sure. I recommend you break in your Camaro first of course, but once you get past 1k miles or so you'll really be able to start feeling the power of the 3.6 V6. You need to keep the rpms in the 4k+ range, but the car really comes alive! Its seriously quick for a V6 and with my Corsa exhaust it sounds awesome. You may miss the low end torque at first, but you soon forget b/c the car is just so much better in every other aspect except maybe visibility. Plus I enjoy putting the hammer down in the V6 more than my TA b/c I know I'm only burning cheaper 87 octane versus premium 93! You're not gonna be disappointed.

tryan2422 11-07-2009 02:13 PM

Yeah I had a 1998 Z28 A4 w/ borla catback being the only mod...it wasn't very much fun to drive after awhile..I don't think that is going to be the case with the 2010!! Thanks for the input guys!

Thrillz 11-07-2009 04:18 PM

As a former owner of a 1982 Z28,1985 Z28,1979 bandit trans am and a 1996 V6 RS camaro the 2LT feels quite close to all of those cars and simply blows away the 1996 RS(that V6 motor sucked). Honestly the only thing i miss that a V6 simply wont give you is the beautiful V8 rumble. I had a open mind about the whole thing and test drove both the V6 and the V8 before making any decision. Just be honest with yourself if your a purist get the V8 and be done with it. If you just want a stunning looking car with some comfort and options get the 2LT. My advice dont buy anything until you test drive both engine choice's then go here for the options http://www.camaro5.com/forums/wiki.p...e=CAMARO+WIKI& . O BTW once you own this car wont wont be able to stop smiling. Members call it permagrin you will understand why when u get your car.

Camarodriver 11-07-2009 09:01 PM

I can't wait for MY dose of permagrin, my 2010 Summit White 2LT will be "born" on November 23rd (confirmed with GM again earlier this week) and I expect it about a week after that to be in my driveway. I do live in Quebec, only a few hours from the factory.

My last Camaro always also gave me permagrin and since I sold it this summer at a car show, I have not been grinning driving around my wife's Honda Fit. Don't get me wrong, it's fun and all, but it ain't no Camaro! ;)

eB

VASCAR2 11-08-2009 11:51 PM

I put about 50,000 miles on a 99 B4C police camaro LS1 in highway traffic enforcement a few years ago. The 99 B4C was an amazing car but the 1LT I bought is also an amazing car. The B4C would run 0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds, around 12.5 to 100 MPH and the 1/4 mile in the low 13's consistently. On the track the B4C would run 145 MPH and the 1LT V-6 is 135 MPH at the same distance. The B4C definitely had more power but I have been totally satisfied with my 1LT. My 1LT handles better than the B4C, is quieter and rides better. The 1LT is easier to get in and out of compared to the 99 B4C. The 2010 camaro feels more refined and gets good gas mileage even while running the tar out of it. My 1LT will run 0-60 in about 6 seconds without ruining my tires and will hit 100 MPH in 15.3. The V-6 times are very comparable to a hemi charger and still gets better fuel mileage. My 1LT seems to have more usable space and is roomier than the 4th generation. My 1LT does not drag as bad going in and out of steep driveways as the 4th generations. The V-8 will always sound better but everyone I've taken for a ride or let drive my 1LT have been very impressed. Everyone says the V-6 felt like they were driving a V-8. I could use my 1LT on patrol just as effectively as I did the B4C camaro. The SS 2010 and LS1 definitely will pin you in your seat but the V-6 is no slouch. For the money the V-6 Camaro is a great car. If you want bragging rights and can afford the V8 go for it but if your on a budget like me the V-6 is great!

:D

Primus 11-09-2009 10:49 AM

Agreed on all points. Well said.

AtreidesMarine 11-10-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanthos (Post 1141405)
Did you test drive it using tapshift and under hard, top end acceleration?

Unfortunately due to the nature of the engine (V6, not V8), it will be a lot different low end than the LS1. Top end is similar though, other than the weight difference.
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Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet :thumbdown: lol

LS1_Alex 11-10-2009 06:55 PM

Awww you gonna make some guys cry talking like that. lol

Xanthos 11-10-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AtreidesMarine (Post 1156748)
Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet :thumbdown: lol

Yes, I've driven both. The V6 camaro once (several 0-80 max acceleration runs, and got it up to 112 at one point), and an LS1 camaro many, many times. My brother in law owns a 1979 camaro and a 1999 camaro, and I've previously owned a 1986 IROC.

I was NOT, and I repeat NOT, trying to say that the V6 camaro is anywhere as fast as an LS1 camaro. What I was saying (if you actually read the thread) is that it FEELS as quick in the top end - similar to how you can take a big truck out and romp on the throttle, feel the pull of the V8 but not actually go anwhere at any advanced rate of speed.
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mrray13 11-10-2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtreidesMarine (Post 1156748)
Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet :thumbdown: lol



Oh, it's close. I've been to 146mph in my 1LT, had I had it in manual mode, it would not have shifted into 6th and dropped 4mph. i believe it has a few more mph in it. The LS1 4th gens I've been in have gotten to 155-158mph before topping out. All have been A4. While I don't think the 5th gen would chase it down in my package, RS with 20's, I believe there is more then enough motor there to run it down. Put some 18s on it and let it fly, lol.

Also, I've been in several police package Impalas with the 3.9, as long as there is no roof light bar, all have seen 150-155mph. Takes awhile, lol, it seems, but it gets there.

Also, I'll throw my 1LT against any GT, save the rumored 2011, for topend. The early years you mentioned aren't all the great, the LX models actually being quicker/faster due to weight, and the modern ones aren't much better IMO. As soon as my mother-in-laws Lincoln gets new airbags, it's a MK VII w/ 4.6 dual cam, I'll let ya know how my little v6 fairs against it. I'm also going to throw it against my bro-in-laws 88 GT, with it's M5 and stroker. It's dyno'd over 300 rwhp, so it'll be interesting on the top. He'd kill me on the bottom if he ever got real tires, lol, it don't hook up for shit, lmao :thumbup:

Long story not so short, this LLT compares nicely to the LS1. Does it beat it? No, but it's atleast in the neighborhood!

AtreidesMarine 11-10-2009 08:15 PM

Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).

Xanthos 11-10-2009 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtreidesMarine (Post 1157810)
Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).

Like I said, I never claimed they were as fast. Just that they felt nearly as fast.

I didn't mean to sound rude in my earlier post and appologize if I was. I just didn't like being talked to like I was some 15 year old dreamer/bench racer.
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jrboyd_1980 11-10-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtreidesMarine (Post 1157810)
Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).


V-6 Camaro LT

Test Results:
0 - 60 (sec): 6.0
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.2 @ 98.9

Average for a stock 1998 Camaro Z-28 SS
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
1/4 Mile (sec @ Mph): 13.8 @ 104

.8 seconds faster on the 0-60 and .4 seconds faster on the 1/4 mile.

Yet you insult him for saying they have same type of feeling while driving?

And as for a Gen5 SS automatic, from personal experience I have done 13.2 in quarter on stock model.

And one question, by you stating yourself that you've never driven a 5th gen.. How is it exactly that you know how they drive? Just wondering....

tryan2422 11-11-2009 08:54 AM

I didn't mean to stir up controversy fellas. I think we can all agree that a 4th gen LS1 is going to beat a 5th gen V6 period. I simply wanted to get some opinions on the "seat of your pants" feel from those that have driven a 4th gen LS1 & 5th gen V6. Lets keep in mind and respect the fact that the responses are going to be subjective, everyone's opinion is different!


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