Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/index.php)
-   Suspension / Brakes / Chassis (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=93)
-   -   ZL1 / CTS-V Brakes (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71401)

JusticePete 03-16-2010 03:20 PM

ZL1 / CTS-V Brakes
 
Pedders is committed to being a strong supporting member of the 5th gen community. When we needed a brake upgrade for our Camaro we looked everywhere and came right back to the GM parts bin. It took a while, but we sorted it out and found what we believe to be the most cost effective and perhaps best brake solution for the Camaro. If I ran GM -- and I don't I know what I would do for better Camaro brakes. I would use THE CADILLAC OF BRAKES for the Camaro -- CTS-V BRAKES.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63d0f5c5.gif

These are the same brakes that set a record on the Ring with John Heinricy behind the wheel of s CTS-V as the fastest production sedan to run the ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky8ZiO6ebn0

The CTS-V is a bit heavier than the Camaro making the setup PERFECT. This is a bolt on project that requires only the front dust shield be trimmed to fit the over-sized six piston front caliper. Everything is performance / track ready to go. The pads are perfect out of the box. They are also Cadillac quiet. The front calipers do require different bolts. All the parts are supposed to be available front the GM parts bin, but we did have some delays in collecting everything we needed. Arthur at Witt Buick Pedders did a great job of getting all the bits pulled together for me.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63d40e9b.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63d644eb.gif

This is a HUGE upgrade for the Camaro. Take a close look at the calipers and pads. The superior clamping from six pistons combined with a much larger pad and rotor work to PERFECTION with the master cylinder and computer.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63d91775.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63da6758.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63dcfb64.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63e02622.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63e2c1ff.gif

The rotors are very different up front. These are dual cast from Brembo with an aluminum hat / center and iron rotor. Even though the new Cadillac rotors are larger and thicker, they weigh the same as the OEM SS Camaro rotors.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63e4c58a.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacea335f.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdaced3c9b.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacf057b6.gif

Trimming the front dust shield was straight forward. How can any modification (unless it is Pedders made to fit just like the OEM bits we replace) be complete without sparks from a cutting wheel?

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fd63e5debe.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdace78bcb.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdace4ccc9.gif

The brake upgrade is 100% OEM CTS-V with the exception of Pedders Camaro Brake Lines. You can see our brake lines fit and mount just like OEM. Why is Pedders doing brake lines for the 2010 Camaro? Great question. When we built our Camaro we couldn't find them in the aftermarket so we took matters into our own hands. PDUSACAM2800 https://secure.merlinsoftware.com.au...0&Featured=Yes

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacf56478.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb0a14108.gif

The rear Cadillac CTS-V caliper is the same as the Camaro SS rear caliper. The only difference is color. We did try to rear CTS-V and found the hat offset is a bit different, but the OEM Camaro SS rotor is a perfect match.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacf27e67.gif

Here they are, THE Cadillac of Brakes of the 2010 Camaro.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacf82763.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacfa9bf7.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb09db4b5.gif

Rear Before

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb09db4b5.gif

Rear After

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb0aa2448.gif

Front Before

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb0a70b74.gif

Front After

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdb0ad0ffb.gif

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...1d7d4dab3b.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...1d7d508d6c.gif

When you do a conversion like this it is critical that the entire brake system be bled including the ABD computer. We connected the new USB based GM scan tool and could not find a full bleed program. We connected a Tech I scan tool, selected 2010 Corvette and found a functional solution. With everything completed we did on more safety check and went out for a road test. Working with Witt Buick Pedders means we have access to everything we need including a 'private' area to bed the brakes. 60 to 20, 80 to 20 and 100 to 20 and the brakes are bedded.

How do they feel -- jut like a Cadillac CTS-V. Are they better than the SS brakes -- OH YEAH!!! Now the tough question, how do you get a set. We are posting this for the benefit of the Camaro community. Witt Buick Pedders put in a tremendous amount of effort to secure all the bits and do the install. Little things like finding the right way to bleed the brakes take a lot of time. The rear rotors from the CTS-V don't fit and son on. They have earned the right to at least have the opportunity to make a parts sale.

Keeping the community in mind, you already know that a complete set of CTS-V brakes will fit and what you need to order short of the parts list. Your creative and can source that on the Internet. If you would like to order a turn key kit you can call Arthur at Witt Buick Pedders (231) 722-3771 for $3,400 including the Pedders SS lines.

nak3dsnake 03-16-2010 03:25 PM

The Z/28 will be using the CTS-V power train so I'd imagine that the brake setup would be carried over as well.

Info@PeddersUSA.com 03-16-2010 03:46 PM

Great article!

mike
dms

camarowa 03-16-2010 04:09 PM

thank you for posting this.

Ron@Vengeance 03-16-2010 04:20 PM

Excellent write up Pete!!!

markssylver 03-16-2010 04:51 PM

will the cts v calipers fit the stock ss front rotors reason i ask is i already have the racing brake front 2 piece rotors

JusticePete 03-16-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markssylver (Post 1597610)
will the cts v calipers fit the stock ss front rotors reason i ask is i already have the racing brake front 2 piece rotors

No sir. The front caliper on the Camaro is smaller.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdaced3c9b.gif
http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...fdacf057b6.gif

SummoneR 03-16-2010 05:04 PM

Great looking stuff, but aren't the stock SS brakes are more than adequate, I mean other than some different pad that don't dust as much the 4 piston Brembo's are great. I will however may change the rotors to some cross drilled versions.

Gotthat02fire 03-16-2010 05:21 PM

Wow this is sweet is this avalible now for the SS Camaro and do you have IOM brake lines??????

JusticePete 03-16-2010 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummoneR (Post 1597651)
Great looking stuff, but aren't the stock SS brakes are more than adequate, I mean other than some different pad that don't dust as much the 4 piston Brembo's are great. I will however may change the rotors to some cross drilled versions.

The OEM SS calipers are very good on an OEM Camaro. Many of us upgrade wheels and tires. Others choose upgrade suspension. Many increase RWHP. Some (like me) do them all and then the OEM brakes are not enough. My Camaro professional drivers never asked me for more RWHP. They all asked for full race slicks and more brakes.

A box stock 5th Gen is an very good automobile. With a a tweak here and there they become VERY GOOD AUTOMOBILES.

brandotron 03-16-2010 05:27 PM

Wow, great writeup!

ElManny 03-16-2010 07:00 PM

and the bigger front calipers will clear oem 20 inch rims?

JusticePete 03-16-2010 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElManny (Post 1598148)
and the bigger front calipers will clear oem 20 inch rims?

Yes. My wheels are Forgeline 10.5x19 with Bridgestone RE-11 305/30s all around.

JusticePete 03-16-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gotthat02fire (Post 1597702)
Wow this is sweet is this avalible now for the SS Camaro and do you have IOM brake lines??????

Sorry only in Pedders RED.

600hp-lpe 03-16-2010 10:33 PM

Nice mod Pete.. Excellent write up. I like it!

They look like they will do the job nicely.

Mark H 03-17-2010 06:19 AM

Very nice brakes

radz28 03-17-2010 09:41 AM

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT!!!

JusticePete 03-17-2010 09:55 AM

The best part is they are all GM OEM engineered and validated. It is cost effective braking solution that works really well as proven with a 'Ring' record.

radz28 03-17-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 1600312)
The best part is they are all GM OEM engineered and validated. It is cost effective braking solution that works really well as proven with a 'Ring' record.

:word: and :word: . So far, this solution makes the most sense. When I buy parts, I try to anticipate what I'll need to do when it comes time to service them; in this case, for brakes, what happens when I need pads, or what happens if I need to replace a piston or something. Well, that's easy, because I can go straight to a Cadillac dealership with this solution. (I'll admit that I don't know what, if any, parts are servicable on these calipers, but knowing that they are GM parts, with part numbers, gives me confidence that I won't have to chase my tail trying to find parts if the need arrises).

Well done, and brilliant thinking, IMVHO.

radz28 03-17-2010 10:00 AM

Also - isn't there a brake upgrade from Cadillac too, for the rotors and pads; cross-drilled or something? That should work too, I suppose.

JusticePete 03-17-2010 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz282003 (Post 1600333)
Also - isn't there a brake upgrade from Cadillac too, for the rotors and pads; cross-drilled or something? That should work too, I suppose.

There are SUPPOSED to be two piece (aluminum hat bolted to an iron rotor) rotors. They were sold as the J63 option for the CTS-V in 2009. The option was discontinued for 2010. The calipers were red, but the same as the silver in function as were the pads. Only the front rotor was different. They are NOT a GM part. They are supposed to be available from Brembo and are not. After much research into the mystery of the missing two piece rotors (thank you Witt Buick Pedders and my secret sources) I can tell you they are not currently available, BUT will be down the road.

Cadillac recommends the rotors be changed with the pads (there is a surprise for performance brakes LOL) so my guess is that some time later this year or early next year we will all be updating pads and rotors based on wear and the availability of the two piece rotors.

As for slots and holes -- I am not a big fan. Modern pads do not gas like the older pads making the slots and holes of minimal value. Granted some high end designs like the carbon ceramic ZR1 have holes. I run no holes and no slots for maximum clamping heat tolerance. Crude brake ducts are critical on our cars as there is little air flow to cool the brakes. This is just my opinion and not absolute certain fact as would be my opinion on anything suspension related ;)

radz28 03-17-2010 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 1600503)
There are SUPPOSED to be two piece (aluminum hat bolted to an iron rotor) rotors. They were sold as the J63 option for the CTS-V in 2009. The option was discontinued for 2010. The calipers were red, but the same as the silver in function as were the pads. Only the front rotor was different. They are NOT a GM part. They are supposed to be available from Brembo and are not. After much research into the mystery of the missing two piece rotors (thank you Witt Buick Pedders and my secret sources) I can tell you they are not currently available, BUT will be down the road.

Cadillac recommends the rotors be changed with the pads (there is a surprise for performance brakes LOL) so my guess is that some time later this year or early next year we will all be updating pads and rotors based on wear and the availability of the two piece rotors.

As for slots and holes -- I am not a big fan. Modern pads do not gas like the older pads making the slots and holes of minimal value. Granted some high end designs like the carbon ceramic ZR1 have holes. I run no holes and no slots for maximum clamping heat tolerance. Crude brake ducts are critical on our cars as there is little air flow to cool the brakes. This is just my opinion and not absolute certain fact as would be my opinion on anything suspension related ;)

AAAHHHHH!!! Thanks for the info' :thumbsup::clap::bow:

76CamaroLT 03-17-2010 11:29 AM

Great post! Thanks for your efforts.
I have a feeling it would only make sense that these show up on the Z28. :D
And I love that they fit under 19" wheels!

camaro4mybday 03-17-2010 11:41 AM

just throwing it out there but wouldnt the z06/zr1 brakes fit as well like gm did on the jay leno camaro:iono:

radz28 03-17-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76CamaroLT (Post 1600717)
Great post! Thanks for your efforts.
I have a feeling it would only make sense that these show up on the Z28. :D
And I love that they fit under 19" wheels!

Yes... They should fit under the ZR1 rims I'll have to stick on my SS/Z28 :D Having that shorter tire will shave some weight and loss too :D


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.