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sfgiantsfan9 04-27-2010 10:11 AM

Pfadt vs. Pedders vs. H&R Drop Springs
 
I am looking at purchasing a set of lowering springs for my SS. I think I have it narrowed down to these brands just from reading so many threads. It seems like Pfadt and Pedders are both highly recommended. Haven't heard too much about H&R but I like how low they set their drop. Main thing I am concerned about is I want at least a 1.25" drop but I want a firm and sporty but not harsh ride. Can anyone tell me anything about these springs that will put one over the top of the rest so I can finally get these things ordered? Thanks.

PfadtRacing 04-27-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan9 (Post 1774902)
I am looking at purchasing a set of lowering springs for my SS. I think I have it narrowed down to these brands just from reading so many threads. It seems like Pfadt and Pedders are both highly recommended. Haven't heard too much about H&R but I like how low they set their drop. Main thing I am concerned about is I want at least a 1.25" drop but I want a firm and sporty but not harsh ride. Can anyone tell me anything about these springs that will put one over the top of the rest so I can finally get these things ordered? Thanks.

Hi sfgiantsfan9,

It sounds like your requirements for a spring were taken directly from our product description!! The Pfadt drop springs have a 1.25" drop, which in our experience is the lowest that we could go with out negatively affecting ride quality. The ride quality on our springs is firm, but no where near harsh. The spring rate is increased a moderate percentage, but these are not for a race car. These drop springs are for the performance street enthusiast, looking for a sporty feel and performance for spirited driving, and occasional auto-x and track use.

Plus, our springs fit Camaros BEFORE and AFTER the GM spring change for the Camaro. Not all manufacturers do. So this is something to keep an eye out for. Unless, of course, you decide to go with our springs:D

Contact me with any more questions you have on our products. Thank you for considering us on your Camaro!

By the way, how about the Giants putting down Halladay last night?

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/da...springs-1a.jpg

Kscott46 04-27-2010 11:42 AM

PFADT all the way!! Don't think twice about it. I just installed mine last night, did it myself, and I am extremely happy with the result.

hrpiii 04-27-2010 11:45 AM

I'm also running Pfadt and loving it.

RedJewel2SS 04-27-2010 12:18 PM

i'm running Pfadt, and the ride quality improved after lowering it! WAY better than stock if you can believe it!

camarowa 04-27-2010 01:35 PM

running a pfadt setup as well. you'll be very pleased.

PfadtRacing 04-27-2010 02:31 PM

Thank you everyone for posting up with your impressions of our products. It is really appreciated!

Mojave 04-27-2010 03:17 PM

I am also running Pfadts and they are amazing. Prior to installing my Pfadts the car pushed when cornering hard (literally the front wheel would slide). The car no longer pushes. I look forward to ordering more parts from them in the future.

RedJewel2SS 04-27-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojave (Post 1776291)
I am also running Pfadts and they are amazing. Prior to installing my Pfadts the car pushed when cornering hard (literally the front wheel would slide). The car no longer pushes. I look forward to ordering more parts from them in the future.

ohh i felt that once!

i then took a corner at about 50 with the pfadt springs and sway bars, and i literally just glided through it with complete control! no understeer even with the skinny 245s up front!

CasperSS 04-27-2010 04:58 PM

I got my Pfadt springs Friday and installed them Saturday. The ride quality hasn't suffered at all and it looks and handles much better!

lock 04-27-2010 06:06 PM

where is the best place to buy ... or is the price on the pfadt site as good as it gets?

PfadtRacing 04-27-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lock (Post 1777087)
where is the best place to buy ... or is the price on the pfadt site as good as it gets?

Us, or any of our dealers! Our retail prices will remain the same!

caverman 04-27-2010 08:22 PM

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I think Pfadt and Eibach are some of the most popular ones. Eibach simply because of the price.

All of the Mfgs are going to have reasons why theirs are better than the next guy. It's a very tuff decision and you won't go wrong with any of those choices.

I was torn between Pfadt vs Pedders vs Hotchkis myself. All of these are going to be quality springs. I ultimately went with Hotchkis for few reasons.....I've used Hotchkis in the past on my First Gens with great success.....I got them shipped to my door for $285.....and I didn't have to cut the bump stops.

Since all the brands were virtually the same, price played a pretty big factor for me. I was able to get both the springs and an aligment for about the same price as just the Pedders springs and just a little more than what just the Pfadt springs cost.

I put them on a few days ago and so far just as everyone has said the ride is only ever so slightly stiffer than before but not by much and the look is worth every bit of that. I was going to wait to have it a week or two before posting up my final thoughts.

Another Mfg to consider is BMR. They usually make good products and thier springs are like $240 from what a remember. Only bad thing with BMR is that they are a few weeks out from shipping.

Here is a pic of mine with the Hotchkis.

hrpiii 04-28-2010 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PfadtRacing (Post 1776069)
Thank you everyone for posting up with your impressions of our products. It is really appreciated!

I love'm so much, I ordered a set of swaybars to 'help' control the car even more. And really appreciated talking to you guys at C5F.

PfadtRacing 04-28-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by caverman (Post 1777735)
I think Pfadt and Eibach are some of the most popular ones. Eibach simply because of the price.

All of the Mfgs are going to have reasons why theirs are better than the next guy. It's a very tuff decision and you won't go wrong with any of those choices.

I was torn between Pfadt vs Pedders vs Hotchkis myself. All of these are going to be quality springs. I ultimately went with Hotchkis for few reasons.....I've used Hotchkis in the past on my First Gens with great success.....I got them shipped to my door for $285.....and I didn't have to cut the bump stops.

Since all the brands were virtually the same, price played a pretty big factor for me. I was able to get both the springs and an aligment for about the same price as just the Pedders springs and just a little more than what just the Pfadt springs cost.

I put them on a few days ago and so far just as everyone has said the ride is only ever so slightly stiffer than before but not by much and the look is worth every bit of that. I was going to wait to have it a week or two before posting up my final thoughts.

Another Mfg to consider is BMR. They usually make good products and thier springs are like $240 from what a remember. Only bad thing with BMR is that they are a few weeks out from shipping.

Here is a pic of mine with the Hotchkis.

I think caverman makes an excellent point. He posted what his requirements were, the brands he was looking at, and ultimately what he decided on. This is what it is about. Thanks for posting this, this is great info.

PfadtRacing 04-28-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hrpiii (Post 1779551)
I love'm so much, I ordered a set of swaybars to 'help' control the car even more. And really appreciated talking to you guys at C5F.

Certainly!

mlee 04-28-2010 10:19 AM

I just found out the new build Camaros have different springs... Can you PM me a price for these... The ones in transit to me now will not fit.

PfadtRacing 04-28-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mlee (Post 1780054)
I just found out the new build Camaros have different springs... Can you PM me a price for these... The ones in transit to me now will not fit.

PM'd!

IPS Brandon 04-28-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lock (Post 1777087)
where is the best place to buy ... or is the price on the pfadt site as good as it gets?

We have them in stock and offer free shipping, a nice little added value!

fcu678 05-05-2010 11:56 AM

Lowering springs
 
I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I want a 1" or 1.25" drop but I don't want a harsh ride (we love to travel to Camaro events :D) and I would prefer to not cut the bump stops. Is this something that Pfadt suggests or do they actually require cutting them? If I choose Pfadt and don't cut them what can I expect?
Thanks

PfadtRacing 05-05-2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fcu678 (Post 1809644)
I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I want a 1" or 1.25" drop but I don't want a harsh ride (we love to travel to Camaro events :D) and I would prefer to not cut the bump stops. Is this something that Pfadt suggests or do they actually require cutting them? If I choose Pfadt and don't cut them what can I expect?
Thanks

Hi fcu678,

I'd like to explain why we reccommend cutting the bumpstops in our procedure. Our Pfadt drop springs provide a 1.25" drop approximately. As a result of this change in static ride height, the usable region of the damper travel is offset, to be approximately 1.25" lower. The Camaro has a very limited amount of bump travel to begin with, before contacting the OEM bumpstops. We recommend to trim 1" from the bumpstop in our installation procedure to give you back that 1.00" of damper travel, that is not influenced by the added spring rate of the bump rubber. We leave some bump stop in place to give a rising rate on big hits. Because dampers function by resisting the shaft velocity, this offset operating region has no negative effects on the component durability, or performance. Just ask all of our customers who have done this, and love the ride and performance as a result of it.

This conclusion was made from testing, and experiencing harsh bump characteristics that some have mentioned, who have not cut them. This of course, is just our position in regards to our own product installation. I hope that helps clarify the reasoning.

fcu678 05-05-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PfadtRacing (Post 1809887)
Hi fcu678,

I'd like to explain why we reccommend cutting the bumpstops in our procedure. Our Pfadt drop springs provide a 1.25" drop approximately. As a result of this change in static ride height, the usable region of the damper travel is offset, to be approximately 1.25" lower. The Camaro has a very limited amount of bump travel to begin with, before contacting the OEM bumpstops. We recommend to trim 1" from the bumpstop in our installation procedure to give you back that 1.00" of damper travel, that is not influenced by the added spring rate of the bump rubber. We leave some bump stop in place to give a rising rate on big hits. Because dampers function by resisting the shaft velocity, this offset operating region has no negative effects on the component durability, or performance. Just ask all of our customers who have done this, and love the ride and performance as a result of it.

This conclusion was made from testing, and experiencing harsh bump characteristics that some have mentioned, who have not cut them. This of course, is just our position in regards to our own product installation. I hope that helps clarify the reasoning.

Thanks for the explanation.............Now I need to make a decision........

PonyCrusher 05-05-2010 08:57 PM

Giantsfan I was in the same boat as you. I wanted at least the same drop you did, but quite frankly there arent many companies out there offering more then that. I had I not lucked out and got the springs I did from Legend, I def would have gone with H&R. Heard alot of good things about them and they had the drop amount I was looking for


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