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Rogue Leader 10-19-2008 07:02 PM

We want all season tires for the SS
 
Anyone with me? It snows maybe 2-3 days a year here. I DO NOT want to spend $1300 on a set of rims and tires for 2 days of snow. I understand the reason for Ultra High performance summer tires being standard on the car, but GM should at least offer the option of a tire such as the Pirelli PZero Nero M&S which is an Ultra High Performance All Season Tire. Anyone with me?

Evotion 10-19-2008 07:10 PM

I live in Southern Arizona... We have one season... period.;)

headpunter 10-19-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Evotion (Post 165386)
I live in Southern Arizona... We have one season... period.;)

i live in washington and i can run summers all year too....

paulv7260 10-19-2008 07:16 PM

I hear you on that. It doesn't snow very often where I live but it can be unpredictable. Even if I get another set of winter wheels I have nowhere to store them.

Paul

ttazzijr700 10-19-2008 07:28 PM

I really need those all season tires to. I live in michigan and really want the ss, but dont feel liek dishin out 1300. So come on Chevy, show some love to the state you came from

The_Blur 10-19-2008 08:14 PM

All-seasons are never good enough for winter. Get some new tires, and stop being a bitch, as the poll option says. ;)

Seriously, you can have a little bit of both worlds with all-season tires, but they just don't handle either extreme. You'll do fine on a day with a temperature of 40-80 degrees, but better tires are a necessity by the time your local grass gets frosty or on the hottest days of the year.

EllwynX 10-19-2008 08:20 PM

We only get one or two decent snowstorms a year here. And 'decent' for this area means 3-8 inches, RARELY more. We just don't get a lot of snow. And for the occasional time it does snow, I'm only 3.5 miles from work, with both my house and workplace just off a major road that is plowed early.

Ice will worry me more than snow. And almost nothing is any good on ice anyway.

The_Stache 10-19-2008 08:26 PM

Your buying a high performance car... It's not designed to drive in the winter. If you want a "daily driver" that you can drive all year buy the V6 (it comes with all season tires.).

No, performance tires only on the SS.

Mr_Draco 10-19-2008 08:28 PM

I would love all season tires. I get only 1 snow a year pretty much and then it's at most 4-5 inches which isn't enough to warrant spending $1,200+ on a set of snow tires plus I live next to a major highway and only .5 miles from work so they wouldn't even get much use to start with.

OldSchoolCamaro 10-19-2008 08:34 PM

I am sure you can get someone to buy the new summer ones off your car when you get it. Then you can go buy what you need.

I figure I will need a tire fund and a speeding ticket fund when my RS/2SS Camaro gets here. LOL

headpunter 10-19-2008 08:35 PM

i like the high % of people voting in the 3rd option....

SimC33 10-19-2008 08:39 PM

I live in Louisiana...summer tires all year long it is!!!

CamaroZR1 10-19-2008 08:44 PM

All seasons would be nice. The freeways here puddle up soo bad, that All seasons do make a difference all year round. If I dont get all seasons, I think I will buy a cheap set of rims with some really good snow tires for when I drive up the mountain to the ski resort or make my yearly trip to Northern Utah to Snowboard. And if I decide to visit Montana, I would feel much more confident on the drive through Idaho with Winters. Last time I went through, it was in the middle of the a pretty bad snow storm, so the highway was pretty bad.

LSxJunkie 10-19-2008 08:44 PM

I live in NY. I drove on summer tires for 4 winters. 3 in my G35 coupe on 245/45/18 Michelin Pilot Sports and 1 in my GTO on 235/40/18 Bridgestone Potenza RE040s.

I voted option 3. I just never got around to actually buying the snows.

Rogue Leader 10-19-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 165449)
All-seasons are never good enough for winter. Get some new tires, and stop being a bitch, as the poll option says. ;)

Seriously, you can have a little bit of both worlds with all-season tires, but they just don't handle either extreme. You'll do fine on a day with a temperature of 40-80 degrees, but better tires are a necessity by the time your local grass gets frosty or on the hottest days of the year.

The Tires I suggested I ran on my 99 TA for 2 winters and were great in the snow and handled the road as well as the Bridgestone Pole Positions that were on the car when i got it. I drove that car 15 miles to work in a blizzard, when I had people with light SUVs calling in, needless to say I was a bit miffed...

I have been driving cars like this in the snow for 10+ years so its really a non issue, however those cars all had all season tires on them.

Incidentally though my Vette had Kumho Ecsta MX's on it and I basically parked that car when the temperature hit 40 degrees, they were marbles at any temp lower than that! I live in an apartment and I'm tired of doing the 2 car thing, I have 1 garage, so I am constantly fighting for a place to leave my beater (which is in the garage now cause I sold the vette). Especially for, as I said, the 2-3 days a year that it snows here.

Rogue Leader 10-19-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by diarmadhi (Post 165471)
Your buying a high performance car... It's not designed to drive in the winter. If you want a "daily driver" that you can drive all year buy the V6 (it comes with all season tires.).

No, performance tires only on the SS.

Any car can be driven in the winter, and GM tested this car in the snow. Whats the real difference that would make a V6 car any more of a daily driver than an SS? Its the same car with a different engine and tires! (yes I know there are other differences, but fundamentally). If you don't hammer the gas you are fine. The only thing that kept me from putting all seasons on my Vette was that its so close to the ground it would be a plow in the snow anyway.

Rays B4U 10-19-2008 10:36 PM

V6 or V8, doesn't matter, get you some snow wheels and some SNOW tires, not these so-called "all season" tires. If you live in snow country and your state allows them I would get studded snow tires, some people hate them but if you drive them as they are intended to be driven they are great. If studded tires are not allowed then have the snow tires "siped" this aids in traction too. And finally go buy you several bags of "Kitty Litter" and put them in the trunk over the rear axle, 100-200lbs, don't put in so many that the rear end starts drooping. And then if, no I should say "when" you get stuck you can sprinkle the kitty litter in front of your back tires to get you some traction. Also keep in mind that in deep snow conditions that the low clearance of your Camaro is an issue too. I believe the Camaro comes with traction assist or traction control so that will greatly help too.

A rear wheel drive car can, and has for YEARS, get around in snow conditions, maybe not as good as a front wheel drive car, or a 4X4 but ok if you drive them right. The majority of the cars that the police drive are rear wheel drive Crown Victorias and Dodge Chargers.

If you go drag racing you'll most likely get some drag radials for better traction, so why not get the proper tire for winter driving?

The_Stache 10-19-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader (Post 165570)
Any car can be driven in the winter, and GM tested this car in the snow. Whats the real difference that would make a V6 car any more of a daily driver than an SS? Its the same car with a different engine and tires! (yes I know there are other differences, but fundamentally). If you don't hammer the gas you are fine. The only thing that kept me from putting all seasons on my Vette was that its so close to the ground it would be a plow in the snow anyway.

The SS has a different suspension and is closer to the ground than the V6. Just like the vette you had, ITS NOT BEING MARKETED FOR WINTER DRIVING. The v6 is your 'all around' car.

I grew up in alaska, I've driven in stuff that makes anything anyone here in the lower 48 has driven in look like a normal commute (60 below and Ice Fog anyone?) Would I buy a vette or v8 camaro for winter driving? Only if i got another set of wheels and tires for it (and probably not even then with them being so LOW!).

The_Stache 10-19-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rays B4U (Post 165624)
If you go drag racing you'll most likely get some drag radials for better traction, so why not get the proper tire for winter driving?

You my good sir have some of that uncommon common sense...

shadowed_Stranger 10-19-2008 11:39 PM

Just do like I do and buy chains for the harsh florida winters :eyeroll:

BowtieGuy 10-19-2008 11:50 PM

Some of you guys think you need seperate tires for 2 or 3 days out of the year? How about sucking it up and just driving extra careful? Saves more money than the other options...

Rogue Leader 10-19-2008 11:57 PM

This is turning into an internet argument over how to drive a Rear Wheel Drive car in the snow, and not what I intended. None of these cars are being marketed for winter driving! Its a freeking Camaro not a Volvo!

Listen, I have owned 14 different Camaros, Firebirds, and so forth for many years and driven them through all kinds of stuff. But I appreciate your assertion that I will get stuck, nope sorry never has happened. I dont live in snow country, I live in a part of the country that gets snow 1-2 days per year... seriously... I am going to buy a separate set of wheels and tires for TWO DAYS? This is a problem that can be remedied by a set of all season tires that are perfectly fine for the amount of snow that shows up here. I know this because I have owned similar vehicles, some with worked suspension, of various levels of horsepower and ride height and have driven through everything that the weather has thrown at us out here. You can't even compare the lowered ride height of the SS to a Vette, it still has 3 times the height.

Have you driven and compared Summer tires to a good set of HP all seasons like the PZero Neros? I have, Ive owned more different sets of tires than I can remember. Despite what you may think they are still all Road tires and I guarantee you you wont push any of these to the limits. And if you are, you are driving like a maniac and need to slow down before you kill someone. They aren't a cheap set of Generals, they are still PZeros! When I do race I have separate rims for race tires, so trust me when I say I understand the difference, and I know how to find the limits of adhesion for a set of tires.. I am an avid autocrosser for over 10 years and have multiple regional championships to show for it.

The question here is for those of us who live in an area where $1300 is better spent on a nice new exhaust and air intake than a set of tires that you will need for TWO DAYS A YEAR (I cannot stress this enough), might like an option to have almost the same performance in a tire that's better suited to the climate. Aside from the fact that some of us don't have the storage space for 8 Wheels and tires (race and snow).

Rogue Leader 10-19-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BowtieGuy (Post 165746)
Some of you guys think you need seperate tires for 2 or 3 days out of the year? How about sucking it up and just driving extra careful? Saves more money than the other options...

THANK YOU!

TAG UR IT 10-20-2008 01:12 AM

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I DO NOT want to spend $1300 on a set of rims and tires for 2 days of snow
Don't. Use that 1,300 and buy a real nice taxi ride....or pay ur buddies gas for a ride in his truck, rent a limo, take a bus, or better yet...STAY HOME! Take a vacation!

Ok...I'm giving you a hard time over taking you literally. I apologize...but only meant it in fun. Seriously, if it's just two days a year, I'm sure 99% of people will just suck it up. Get a ride, drive in it extra careful, et.c

trm0002 11-11-2008 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 165449)
All-seasons are never good enough for winter. Get some new tires, and stop being a bitch, as the poll option says. ;)

Seriously, you can have a little bit of both worlds with all-season tires, but they just don't handle either extreme. You'll do fine on a day with a temperature of 40-80 degrees, but better tires are a necessity by the time your local grass gets frosty or on the hottest days of the year.

All-seasons were/are good enough for my GTO in frigid Buffalo,NY. 150-200# in the trunk and the GTO does fine. Of course you have to not drive like an asshat. The GTO has enough power to get you into trouble in slick conditions really fast; the Camaro will be the same- probably worse with the nearly 11" wide tires on the back. I don't plan on driving it daily through the winter here but I don't plan on putting it away Oct 1st to avoid it all either...


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