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Germann 06-02-2010 11:18 AM

IS a V6 FI kit available now?
 
Theres threads out the wazoo on FI....and if I had 4 hours I would read them all to see if anyone has a kit. C'mon....is one available or not yet? Surely someone know! Share the wealth. I really didnt want to do NOS but it seems to be the only game running.

PoorMansCamaro 06-02-2010 11:29 AM

there is not one currently for sale. i guess STS has a pre-order going on. but that's it.

WayneBrady 06-03-2010 10:35 AM

well what is think dealers are cocky/greedy to expect preorders before having a reliable product. The only insurance buyers have is hoping for a refund if they don not produce, but the fact companies need to the money to even make the complete the product, where would money come from to even doa refund. I think that one company will be smart enough to do shit before GM does its TWIN TURBO for v6's, making a profit while other companies say

"Well if we knew there were so many people we would have do it."

In which case they will try to jump on the band wagon with excuses such as

"We were not sure people would buy it,"

or

"We wanted to make sure it was good enough"


But by then they shot themselves in the leg about how much profit they would have actually made if they acted logically in the first place. I mean, they spend the energy to go on sites.....except those are not really companies, but some one being paid, to check buy interest, or messing around. The funny thing is...I think after finding out that GM is making a TT for v6, one of these companies are going to comeback quickly and say they will produce something, hopefully having it out on the market before GM, but if GM is within months of making a turbo for us, with a nationwide warranty, and not voiding our warranty....why would we go to the independent market?

PoorMansCamaro 06-03-2010 11:56 AM

biggest reason would be price. granted there's probably includes the warranty.

Mike@DS 06-03-2010 02:41 PM

Tuning will be the biggest hold up here guys.

We have several FI manufacturers harassing us about support for these cars too....which is the reason we delved into them in the first place. There is still quite a bit of stuff that needs to be mapped out and properly understood before tuning for FI onthese cars can even get started ;)

HopeRidesAlone 06-03-2010 03:14 PM

well atleast we know someone is trying to help us :)

PoorMansCamaro 06-03-2010 03:40 PM

:clap:

The_Blur 06-03-2010 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport (Post 1941472)
Tuning will be the biggest hold up here guys.

We have several FI manufacturers harassing us about support for these cars too....which is the reason we delved into them in the first place. There is still quite a bit of stuff that needs to be mapped out and properly understood before tuning for FI onthese cars can even get started ;)

:word: I have no concerns about whether someone will make a kit. My concern is that someone needs to make a tune. I'm fairly amazed that we have not gotten at least a piggyback tune yet. :rolleyes:

devildoc 06-03-2010 04:42 PM

Trifecta tunes our car without a problem. They also have the tune set for the STS turbo kit. We are just waiting on STS to produce the kit. I have the tune and I love it!

xpanda305x 06-03-2010 04:50 PM

^ how much RWHP are you making right now?

devildoc 06-03-2010 05:21 PM

My tune isn't designed to make much hp because our engines are designed very well from GM.

usa1camaro1969 06-03-2010 06:00 PM

What are you hearing from STS, Doc? After all the bashing earlier I don't blame them for keeping quiet, I'm just hoping they're continuing the kit.

CAMAR0 06-03-2010 06:29 PM

Heres some good info on direct injection benefits etc from GMPD. http://www.gmperformancedivision.com..._Injection.pdf

Slide 6 asks if DI is untuneable... I hope not!

CamaroDreams07 06-04-2010 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMAR0 (Post 1942487)
Heres some good info on direct injection benefits etc from GMPD. http://www.gmperformancedivision.com..._Injection.pdf

Slide 6 asks if DI is untuneable... I hope not!

Our engines aren't untuneable. The problem is they were already pretty well tuned from GM. So basically what Vince is able to do is torque management and for us A6 guys he can change the shifting to be more aggressive. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of power to be had tuning the stock engine though.

At least that is my limited understanding, I'm by no means one of the experts here.

devildoc 06-04-2010 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969 (Post 1942374)
What are you hearing from STS, Doc? After all the bashing earlier I don't blame them for keeping quiet, I'm just hoping they're continuing the kit.

Well I've stopped talking to STS but according to Vince @ Trifecta Performance (who has the only tune for the ecm/tcm for us V6'rs) is that he has finished the tune for the STS single turbo car and the main knowledge is that when the car arrived at Camaro5 Fest that it didn't perform as well as they thought it would and have possible gone back to the drawing board to figure out what went wrong.

NOW - I have talked to Vince and he stated that if I went and tried a universal kit that he would be able to at least tune it for me to make a running car. Soooo....I may be looking at that.

The_Blur 06-04-2010 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devildoc (Post 1944677)
Well I've stopped talking to STS but according to Vince @ Trifecta Performance (who has the only tune for the ecm/tcm for us V6'rs) is that he has finished the tune for the STS single turbo car and the main knowledge is that when the car arrived at Camaro5 Fest that it didn't perform as well as they thought it would and have possible gone back to the drawing board to figure out what went wrong.

NOW - I have talked to Vince and he stated that if I went and tried a universal kit that he would be able to at least tune it for me to make a running car. Soooo....I may be looking at that.

That is not good news. :thumbdown: I have no intention of buying a universal kit. If I'm going to buy a kit, it needs to perform on my car. Otherwise, I'll be saving up for a drivetrain swap.

usa1camaro1969 06-05-2010 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 1944962)
That is not good news. :thumbdown: I have no intention of buying a universal kit. If I'm going to buy a kit, it needs to perform on my car. Otherwise, I'll be saving up for a drivetrain swap.

My first gens all have big blocks and I have been looking at the 496 stuff I have out in the garage, and I have a T56 wanting to be used.... Do you think that would hurt my gas mileage? Would I still have a warranty?

No. No. Not YET. :paddle:

OKCwhiteKnight 06-05-2010 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMAR0 (Post 1942487)
Heres some good info on direct injection benefits etc from GMPD. http://www.gmperformancedivision.com..._Injection.pdf

Slide 6 asks if DI is untuneable... I hope not!

Aren't the SS and vette's DI,VVT, etc.? They have many choices when it comes to SC/TC. Why is the v6 harder to figure out? I am glad they are still working on it, rather than hearing not enough market for it and not worth the r&d.:D

LOWDOWN 06-05-2010 12:29 PM

The LLT BoschBox is a little more difficult to crack than the V8 electronics...for very good reasons...

The 375 hp N/A 91-octane tunes (with CAI/catback/headers) talked about/promised a year ago have not materialized, and going with boost simply opens up even more of a can of worms...

All roads lead to Bosch...and they can't, under "proprietary agreement"...

That's why the Leno car "looks" fantastic...but have you seen a video of it "running"? If it would, you can be sure you would have seen it by now...and no one's more frustrated about that than Leno hisself, cuz he "promised" @ SEMA...

Remember, it took over 6 months for the LS9 transplants to "properly" run...because the VetteBox didn't initially talk to the Camaro BCM...because GM didn't want "liability issues", and it simply took time for "others" to do the interface. Those "others" had "inside help"...NOT forthcoming, yet, for the LLT...

jackka 06-05-2010 04:20 PM

This is off-topic, but devildoc, you pretty much have all the upgrades that I have in mind for my Camaro, except for the tune, which I don't think I need for my manual.

Are all those mods affecting your mpg negatively at all even when you drive it normally?

One of the reasons I got a V6 instead of v8 is to use it as a daily driver and I am wondering if I get stuff like exhaust, CAI, long tubes, and high-flow cat, my mpg will drop.

devildoc 06-06-2010 12:50 AM

My mpg has actually gotten better on the hwy by about 2mpg. On the city side just depends on how hard I accel and run the car. Normally I'm around 18-9 mpg city.

NOW - new info coming hopefully soon on a FI kit from a specific company that is doing reversed vortech superchargers and a turbocharged kit. Not passing any word other than that until I get the okay from some people.


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