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TomServo 10-27-2008 09:39 AM

V6 Coupe Comparo Accord vs Camaro
 
Based on what's known about the Accord 271HP V6 coupe and the 304HP Camaro - Which is faster: 0-60 and 1/4 and who gets better fuel mileage?? And how does MSRP compare?

I'm just trying to size up where the V6 Camaro will slot with car's it competes against

Beau Tie 10-27-2008 11:51 AM

They don't compare.

headpunter 10-27-2008 12:05 PM

accross the board the camaro is better equiped and the honda starts at 28k, and goes up to 31k if you want navigation. the honda will get worse gas mileage and only does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds which is awfull

OUTATIME 10-27-2008 01:05 PM

I'm coming from a 2004 V6 6MT Accord Coupe to a Camaro (INFERNO ORANGE, BABY). It depends on what you want - I have 70k miles and no problems at all, and I've loved the car - but I'm just so bored of it.

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and only does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds which is awfull
I'm assuming he means the 6MT which actually does it in less than 6 seconds - C&D's number was 5.6 which is faster than the Camaro V6. Even mine does it in 5.9, according to them. I think real world mileage on the Accord will be better - I get 31 highway/24 - 26 mixed when it's rated at like 29/23 and that's consistent; the new one apparently says 25 mpg highway but I think it would be more closer to 27 highway/22 mixed?

Handling wise - TOO MUCH TORQUE STEER WITH ALL THAT POWER GOING THROUGH THE FRONT WHEELS. It has decently good handling (poise, body roll). I honestly don't think this is a whole lot more improved on the new Accord Coupe. The weight distribution is also a dismal 62/38 i think.

I was always an import guy (reliability, practical, good mileage). But I have to say, they are too conservatively styled cars to look at and drive and be happy with for like 8 years. The specs on the Camaro impressed me so much that I might say even say "screw it" to gas mileage and get the V8.

Depending on what you want out of the car:

Camaro > Accord Coupe

headpunter 10-27-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OUTATIME (Post 173047)
I'm coming from a 2004 V6 6MT Accord Coupe to a Camaro (INFERNO ORANGE, BABY). It depends on what you want - I have 70k miles and no problems at all, and I've loved the car - but I'm just so bored of it.



I'm assuming he means the 6MT which actually does it in less than 6 seconds - C&D's number was 5.6 which is faster than the Camaro V6. Even mine does it in 5.9, according to them. I think real world mileage on the Accord will be better - I get 31 highway/24 - 26 mixed when it's rated at like 29/23 and that's consistent; the new one apparently says 25 mpg highway but I think it would be more closer to 27 highway/22 mixed?

Handling wise - TOO MUCH TORQUE STEER WITH ALL THAT POWER GOING THROUGH THE FRONT WHEELS. It has decently good handling (poise, body roll). I honestly don't think this is a whole lot more improved on the new Accord Coupe. The weight distribution is also a dismal 62/38 i think.

I was always an import guy (reliability, practical, good mileage). But I have to say, they are too conservatively styled cars to look at and drive and be happy with for like 8 years. The specs on the Camaro impressed me so much that I might say even say "screw it" to gas mileage and get the V8.

Depending on what you want out of the car:

Camaro > Accord Coupe


that time i read was on edmonds

SSOOCH 10-27-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Beau Tie (Post 172959)
They don't compare.


+1

DGthe3 10-27-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TomServo (Post 172856)
Based on what's known about the Accord 271HP V6 coupe and the 304HP Camaro - Which is faster: 0-60 and 1/4 and who gets better fuel mileage?? And how does MSRP compare?

I'm just trying to size up where the V6 Camaro will slot with car's it competes against

Generally speaking (there are several notable exceptions), front wheel drive performance is an oxymoron.

Scott@Bjorn3D 10-27-2008 01:20 PM

If you can't slide the arse end out what fun is it to have?

I have a V6 2006 Accord. While is is solid car it has gotten very boring. And everybody and their brother seems to have an Accord Coupe now. I am not getting the V6 but going V8 Rally Yellow. Won't see many of these around in my neck of the woods.

chappy48 10-27-2008 01:41 PM

We have known track times of the 2008 Accord v6 getting low-mid 14's in the 1/4 mile. From what I've seen the Camaro will be right in that ball park. EPA estimates on the 2008 Accord v6 auto are 19 city / 29 highway which is slightly better then the numbers I've seen for the Camaro. As for price, the Base Accord v6 comes in at about $26.5k which is about $4k more then the Camaro. And even though Domestic companies have been getting better at it lately, I'd still give the build quality and reliability score to the Accord.

I don't think these cars will be direct competitors, since the Accord is basically a family sedan and the Camaro is a sport coupe. However that doesn't mean they won't meet on the road:)

PS. Wow, I just noticed there's a quite a few accord owners on here getting the new Camaro or thinking of getting it.

DGthe3 10-27-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chappy48 (Post 173086)
We have known track times of the 2008 Accord v6 getting low-mid 14's in the 1/4 mile. From what I've seen the Camaro will be right in that ball park. EPA estimates on the 2008 Accord v6 auto are 19 city / 29 highway which is slightly better then the numbers I've seen for the Camaro. As for price, the Base Accord v6 comes in at about $26.5k which is about $4k more then the Camaro. And even though Domestic companies have been getting better at it lately, I'd still give the build quality and reliability score to the Accord.

I don't think these cars will be direct competitors, since the Accord is basically a family sedan and the Camaro is a sport coupe. However that doesn't mean they won't meet on the road:)

PS. Wow, I just noticed there's a quite a few accord owners on here getting the new Camaro or thinking of getting it.

reliability is an unknown for any new car, but the Camaro is being build at one of the best facilities in the world for initial quality, let alone North America. If you meant materials and design, then things become more subjective.

13F20 10-27-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TomServo (Post 172856)
Based on what's known about the Accord 271HP V6 coupe and the 304HP Camaro - Which is faster: 0-60 and 1/4 and who gets better fuel mileage?? And how does MSRP compare?

I'm just trying to size up where the V6 Camaro will slot with car's it competes against

OK: Why are you trying to compare the Camaro LT to the Honda Accord. Coup vs 4 door. Sport car vs sedan. quality vs well over the top. Guy w/ girl friend or new married couple vs family guy that needs 4 doors.

jimbo57 10-27-2008 01:56 PM

the honda looks like every other car on the road...no offense

TomServo 10-27-2008 01:59 PM

I started this thread as a co-worker and I have been going back and forth. He just bought a new 2009 V6 Accord EX-L w/leather and Nav for just at $29K (they are discounting the Accord here in St Louis) and he looked at my order for a 2LT/RS w MX0 for just over $30 then started in on me.

His point was why was I buying another "rear drive" sports coupe when I already have a Corvette. He makes a good point since the Camaro will be my daily driver. But that got me to think about FWD vs RWD in bad weather, then that got me thinking about what the "real world performance" difference is out on public streets (not a race track). And his logic starts making sense.

Oh well that's why we ask questions - to learn.

SSOOCH 10-27-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TomServo (Post 173101)
I started this thread as a co-worker and I have been going back and forth. He just bought a new 2009 V6 Accord EX-L w/leather and Nav for just at $29K (they are discounting the Accord here in St Louis) and he looked at my order for a 2LT/RS w MX0 for just over $30 then started in on me.

His point was why was I buying another "rear drive" sports coupe when I already have a Corvette. He makes a good point since the Camaro will be my daily driver. But that got me to think about FWD vs RWD in bad weather, then that got me thinking about what the "real world performance" difference is out on public streets (not a race track). And his logic starts making sense.

Oh well that's why we ask questions - to learn.

Tell your Co-Worker to shut up. If we all drove Accords this world would blow. RWD pushes you, FWD pulls you. In bad weather adjust accordingly. And I want pics of your Corvette or you're lying. No Corvette owner would even entertain a question like that from an "Accord" owner....please!

mowbr4 10-27-2008 02:14 PM

You should go on an Accord forum and see if there are as many enthusiast as there are on this forum. That may tell you something, ;)

SSOOCH 10-27-2008 02:16 PM

I'm not trying to disrespect Tom or anything, I'm just saying you "get it" or you don't as to why somebody would buy a Camaro over a Accord. Tom's co-worker just doesn't get it. And that's cool.

OUTATIME 10-27-2008 02:16 PM

I think it's easier to adjust accordingly with FWD vs. RWD. It really depends on how skilled of a driver you are; I'd have no clue what will happen in a RWD car in the winter when my tail end spins out of control, but guess what? I'll take it slow, learn, and hopefully I won't damage anything.

Btw, since this car is 52/48 F/R weight distribution that should play a large roll in stability, right?

TomServo 10-27-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SSOOCH (Post 173106)
And I want pics of your Corvette or you're lying. No Corvette owner would even entertain a question like that from an "Accord" owner....please!

How's this:

From our NCM Delivery
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...hotos001-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...yPhotos022.jpg
After I installed the body colored dash pieces
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...sPhotos008.jpg
After I installed the Borla Sports
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Exhaust001.jpg
A few from my track days at Road America
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Oct2006001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...03250403-M.jpg
Ate this for lunch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...03251227-M.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8.../HPIM02942.jpg
From the inside
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...NewMods004.jpg
My baseline dyno pull at 650 miles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...6DynoGraph.jpg
And the collage my wife made consisting of my build sheet, window sticker and NCM Delivery sign
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Collage001.jpg
Oh and my favorite
My vanity plate reads AFVETTE (being retired USAF)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...htseals001.jpg

And I can be found over on the Corvette Forum under AFVETTE.

Do I pass muster???

jimbo57 10-27-2008 03:55 PM

you want some salt for that shoe?

fastball 10-27-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beau Tie (Post 172959)
They don't compare.


Comparing the 6 speed manual Accord Coupe to a Camaro is a very legitimate comparison, and it better be because GM needs the Camaro V6 to pull in people who might otherwise look at an Accord coupe, Nissan Altima V6 coupe, and perhaps a Toyota Solara V6 coupe.

For Camaro to succeed, the V6 must hold its own against those others, even the BMW 1 series. You can no longer look at just the Mustang and Challenger as the only competition for Camaro. It's a global automotive market, and Camaro must compete and succeed if we all want to see it make it past this first run of the 5th generation.

Seriously, what other coupe does GM offer with a manual transmission, DOHC V6, and under 30k? Camaro is it.

Forget the old days when it was only the Mustang. In fact, outside of the SS, I don't think it is fair to limit Camaro's scope to just the same old competition.

SSOOCH 10-27-2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomServo (Post 173241)
How's this:

From our NCM Delivery
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...hotos001-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...yPhotos022.jpg
After I installed the body colored dash pieces
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...sPhotos008.jpg
After I installed the Borla Sports
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Exhaust001.jpg
A few from my track days at Road America
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Oct2006001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...03250403-M.jpg
Ate this for lunch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...03251227-M.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8.../HPIM02942.jpg
From the inside
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...NewMods004.jpg
My baseline dyno pull at 650 miles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...6DynoGraph.jpg
And the collage my wife made consisting of my build sheet, window sticker and NCM Delivery sign
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...Collage001.jpg
Oh and my favorite
My vanity plate reads AFVETTE (being retired USAF)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...htseals001.jpg

And I can be found over on the Corvette Forum under AFVETTE.

Do I pass muster???

:bow:

TomServo 10-27-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SSOOCH (Post 173305)
:bow:

:laugh: we're cool.

And I am thinking about buying a Z06 since my 2LT/RS will be my DD.

Tom

The_Blur 10-27-2008 04:41 PM

This thread is why we need a smiley that is slapping another smiley. The Accord doesn't compete in any way with the Camaro. Rarely do I disrespect a car that we compare to the Camaro in any level of seriousness, but the Camaro is better on all fronts.

Headpunter, feel free to have another period. :laugh:

OUTATIME 10-27-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 173312)
This thread is why we need a smiley that is slapping another smiley. The Accord doesn't compete in any way with the Camaro. Rarely do I disrespect a car that we compare to the Camaro in any level of seriousness, but the Camaro is better on all fronts.

Headpunter, feel free to have another period. :laugh:

I honestly think it's a legitimate comparison - for the Accord/Altima Coupe, not sedans (at all). If GM was able to tear me away from Honda to the extent that I'm visiting this site every hour for updates, a new color, a new angle, ANYTHING (and believe me, Honda fans don't go easily), how many more people like me are there? I have NEVER been a fan of the Mustang or Challenger <- retro-revival style wise/engine options - either too much or too little; GM knew they were making this car (Camaro V6) appeal to the import crowd in addition to the muscle fans. All the testing we've been seeing shows they're taking reliability very seriously.

The_Blur 10-27-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OUTATIME (Post 173355)
I honestly think it's a legitimate comparison - for the Accord/Altima Coupe, not sedans (at all). If GM was able to tear me away from Honda to the extent that I'm visiting this site every hour for updates, a new color, a new angle, ANYTHING (and believe me, Honda fans don't go easily), how many more people like me are there? I have NEVER been a fan of the Mustang or Challenger <- retro-revival style wise/engine options - either too much or too little; GM knew they were making this car (Camaro V6) appeal to the import crowd in addition to the muscle fans. All the testing we've been seeing shows they're taking reliability very seriously.

I'll give you this: the Camaro will take sales away from a lot of other cars. It represents a car segment that is oriented towards both performance and car culture, both of which are appealing to people that want a cool car and a car that makes a nice conversation piece. We here at Camaro5, love the Camaro because it has a lot to do with Chevrolet tradition. Some people will like that it is bringing the glory back to the American market. The V6 Camaro will annihilate the Accord at the track. It will also bring the pain to cars from other manufacturers, but the really impressive additions are options or standard 2LT features, like Bluetooth or ambient lighting. The Accord costs more, offers less, and competes with inferior performance. This is how a lot of cars are in comparison to the Camaro.


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