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dmax86 06-19-2010 10:52 PM

PLEASE HELP!! TVS 2300 or D1SC???
 
i am putting money together to add a blower but i cant decide what to do!!? :iono: i have had a d1 in my silverado and i liked it alot... but with my setup im trying to figure out which way to go??? please help! thanks

Andro 06-19-2010 11:40 PM

D1 all the way

dmax86 06-20-2010 01:01 AM

thats what my buds at the local shop said too...! i just really wanted to try our the roots style but if i built a motor later a D1 is able to make more power.

Andro 06-20-2010 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2005304)
thats what my buds at the local shop said too...! i just really wanted to try our the roots style but if i built a motor later a D1 is able to make more power.

Or tap into the F-series blowers and let the real fun begin :evil:

dmax86 06-20-2010 01:48 AM

fun huh, building a new motor prematurely doesnt sound too fun...! lol

BlownChevy 06-20-2010 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Andro (Post 2005033)
D1 all the way

I would be interested in the reasoning behind that statement :)

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2005304)
thats what my buds at the local shop said too...! i just really wanted to try our the roots style but if i built a motor later a D1 is able to make more power.

Once you try it you would keep it. The Magna Charger TVS2300 will support 900 HP, not sure how many people need more than that :w00t:

Camaro21 06-20-2010 09:57 AM

I went with the Maggie over the Procharger.. I have no regrets !! Perfect for a Daily Driver !!

Chuckyx1 06-20-2010 10:17 AM

Whats wrong with Vortech.. YSi
Great drivability

dracer98 06-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2004862)
i am putting money together to add a blower but i cant decide what to do!!? :iono: i have had a d1 in my silverado and i liked it alot... but with my setup im trying to figure out which way to go??? please help! thanks

Twins - why are so many afraid of the turbo method - it just works and works well

dmax86 06-20-2010 08:04 PM

I'm not looking for a 900rwhp car just 600-700rwhp. Ive had the Procharger and i did like it but i didn't like the oil changes and the noise at idle.... and the turbo is sweet but i don't want to change my cam or have a real loud turbo whistle.... i have my 500hp/1000tq duramax for that! :) i really feel like i would like to give to TVS 2300 a try plus i don't want to throw away my money i spent on my intake.... my thoughts are if the technology is good enough for the cts-v and zr-1 i think it would be fine....

But is traction an issue with the TVS 2300 ??

Also, is it true that the TVS will get outperformed in the long haul with other blowers capable of pushing more boost?

Andro 06-20-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2007347)
I'm not looking for a 900rwhp car just 600-700rwhp. Ive had the Procharger and i did like it but i didn't like the oil changes and the noise at idle.... and the turbo is sweet but i don't want to change my cam or have a real loud turbo whistle.... i have my 500hp/1000tq duramax for that! :) i really feel like i would like to give to TVS 2300 a try plus i don't want to throw away my money i spent on my intake.... my thoughts are if the technology is good enough for the cts-v and zr-1 i think it would be fine....

But is traction an issue with the TVS 2300 ??

Also, is it true that the TVS will get outperformed in the long haul with other blowers capable of pushing more boost?

Procharger has the helical gear set for P1 and D1 series blowers at idle you can't even hear the blower whine.

dmax86 06-20-2010 09:45 PM

SWEET! If I built a motor later like an LSX with all forged internals I was told to go with a procharger because its more capable... whats your take?? do your thing a TVS 2300 is just out of the question??? is there any time that you would recommend it??

Andro 06-20-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2007781)
SWEET! If I built a motor later like an LSX with all forged internals I was told to go with a procharger because its more capable... whats your take?? do your thing a TVS 2300 is just out of the question??? is there any time that you would recommend it??

I've got a 427 LSX motor in my 2010 Camaro with a F1R procharger she's making 912 to the wheels but were still making adjustments. I love Procharger never going with any other supercharger brand. I'm sold.

Qwkss 06-20-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andro (Post 2007993)
I've got a 427 LSX motor in my 2010 Camaro with a F1R procharger she's making 912 to the wheels but were still making adjustments. I love Procharger never going with any other supercharger brand. I'm sold.

How many lbs of boost?

Andro 06-20-2010 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwkss (Post 2008051)
How many lbs of boost?

18lbs

dracer98 06-20-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2007347)
I'm not looking for a 900rwhp car just 600-700rwhp. Ive had the Procharger and i did like it but i didn't like the oil changes and the noise at idle.... and the turbo is sweet but i don't want to change my cam or have a real loud turbo whistle.... i have my 500hp/1000tq duramax for that! :) i really feel like i would like to give to TVS 2300 a try plus i don't want to throw away my money i spent on my intake.... my thoughts are if the technology is good enough for the cts-v and zr-1 i think it would be fine....

But is traction an issue with the TVS 2300 ??

Also, is it true that the TVS will get outperformed in the long haul with other blowers capable of pushing more boost?

Well you don't need a cam change for a turbo, But if your goal is a real 700rwhp you can't do better than the Maggie 2300 - it whines like a cat in heat but is dead quiet at idle. The turbo makes very little noise at WOT and is as stealth as it gets at idle. There is a video of the GMS TT kit. you really down here the turbo until they lift at the end of the run

Quick Video to show the kit in operation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFNR4JG66c

GenuineGM.com 06-20-2010 11:40 PM

I've built both of them and I sell them both. They both do well but I have to give the procharger the nod. That's what I chose to use on my personal Camaro.

dmax86 06-21-2010 08:16 AM

they all sound awesome and i wish i could test drive each of them i just want a weekend warrior that has power everywhere anytime

Mister HP 06-21-2010 08:28 AM

how are you going to use the car? daily driver, street, drag? centrifugal and roots blowers are both excellent performers, but if you have a certain type of use in mind, one may be better than the other? feel free to PM if I can answer some questions,
Ed

JANNETTYRACING 06-21-2010 09:03 AM

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i am putting money together to add a blower but i cant decide what to do!!? i have had a d1 in my silverado and i liked it alot... but with my setup im trying to figure out which way to go??? please help! thanks
This discussion is about Procharger D1 or Magnacharger, both Base Kits off the shelf.

There are a lot of choices and only YOU the consumer can make the call after researching and seeing what pair of shoes fits you best.

They have Different Power Bands and completely different looks, both of these kits are Silent.

The Magnacharger will support more HP and Room To grow, the D1 is done about 800 HP.

Call me if you want to discuss this at Length.

old motorhead 06-21-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2008759)
they all sound awesome and i wish i could test drive each of them i just want a weekend warrior that has power everywhere anytime

"that has power everywhere anytime." You want the TVS. Not much other than a twinscrew will bring the power in as quick as a TVS. You'll need 8 to 10psi depending on how you set it up. Would you rather have your max boost at just above idle on up or wait for 6000 rpm before you see max boost?

radz28 06-21-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2007347)
I'm not looking for a 900rwhp car just 600-700rwhp. Ive had the Procharger and i did like it but i didn't like the oil changes and the noise at idle.... and the turbo is sweet but i don't want to change my cam or have a real loud turbo whistle.... i have my 500hp/1000tq duramax for that! :) i really feel like i would like to give to TVS 2300 a try plus i don't want to throw away my money i spent on my intake.... my thoughts are if the technology is good enough for the cts-v and zr-1 i think it would be fine....

But is traction an issue with the TVS 2300 ??

Also, is it true that the TVS will get outperformed in the long haul with other blowers capable of pushing more boost?

I don't think you could go wrong with either. There are lots' of great numbers from each system. For the goals you are aiming for, I think it'll come down to maybe maintenance and looks. I have my own reasons for why I prefer one over the other, but performance-wise, I really don't think one is really superior over another, per se, under most circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Andro (Post 2007462)
Procharger has the helical gear set for P1 and D1 series blowers at idle you can't even hear the blower whine.

I don't mind some whine, but just the clatter is what gets to me a little. It sounds silly, but it just does.

GTAHVIT 06-21-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dmax86 (Post 2007347)
I'm not looking for a 900rwhp car just 600-700rwhp. Ive had the Procharger and i did like it but i didn't like the oil changes and the noise at idle.... and the turbo is sweet but i don't want to change my cam or have a real loud turbo whistle.... i have my 500hp/1000tq duramax for that! :) i really feel like i would like to give to TVS 2300 a try plus i don't want to throw away my money i spent on my intake.... my thoughts are if the technology is good enough for the cts-v and zr-1 i think it would be fine....

But is traction an issue with the TVS 2300 ??

Also, is it true that the TVS will get outperformed in the long haul with other blowers capable of pushing more boost?

Traction is an issue with ANY FI system. for the power you are looking to make you can go with any FI setup.

It all depends on when and how you want to make power. Positive Vs Negative desplacement blowers make power differently that you can feel. Not to say one is bad or one is better. Just decide what you want.

As you said Torque is cool.

The Maggie is known for making better torque at lower RPM's... Hence why you think traction could be a problem.... but with a 600 - 700 HP build... you're gonna have that problem anyway....

Go with what works best for you and how you intend to drive it. :headbang:

Slowhawk 06-21-2010 07:53 PM

Pretty much what everyone said. Nowadays it's more about what you like to look at.

Here is what I ussually go for
M6 car ,pretty much stock -2300
M6 car,cammed,bolt-ons,hard driver -D1
A6 car,stock ect -2300
A6 car,stalled - D1

For DD cars for sane drivers I prefer the D1 because it just seams easier to drive normal.That and the gas mileage goes up pretty good.

Also,not the biggest fan of getting 8lbs of boost at 2k rpm.Seems like alot of stress on the crank/rod bearings and pistons. Alot of cars live a long healthy life but I've seen a good amount of failures throughout the years from aggressive drivers.

Now,for me. I plan on getting a A6 Camaro and pushing the 2300 at a minimum of 12lbs on the stock motor to see how it works.Want to goe mid to low 10's on a stock motor.

dmax86 06-21-2010 07:55 PM

like i said i have a D1 in my single cab 5.3 but its a different world with a car now.... so i really want to try a positive displaced SC.. does anyone know whats the max boost the TVS can push and the max hp the stock internals can handle???

Thanks for the good info Slowhawk!

that makes me think D1 w/ helical gears!


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