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IPSjeff 07-12-2010 04:45 PM

SS Turbo Kit Comparison Chart
 
This is primarily for my own marketing purposes but it should help keep all the turbo kit comparisons in one thread as well :)

I know what is in my own kit from top-to-bottom but for the others there are many things I need input on from owners or the manufacturers to "Fill in the blanks". I want to make sure the information I have on the other kits is accurate thus far (All the info has come from here or the manufacturers websites) but if anything is off please let me know and I will correct it right away.

Anyway, here is what I have so far so help me get it filled out the rest of the way so it will be a bit easier to see what is what in each of the kits:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/...85bb0195_b.jpg

Also, I eliminated the "Claimed" boost level for the dyno graph info and called it "Pump Gas" instead to eliminate pages of useless arguing over who is running 7.5psi instead of 7 or whatever. The sellers of each kit know what is and is not safe on pump gas and that is how they are sold. Posting 5psi numbers is kind of pointless if the kit can make 7 or 8 safely. If it takes 100-octane or better to run 9psi then that is no longer an apples-to-apples comparison. If everyone wants me to include the boost level each number was made I will change it back but I figured this might alleviate a few needless debates :)

The more info that can be provided so I can finish it up the better!
Jeff

Bushidopupil 07-12-2010 05:24 PM

Very good thread!
 
One place, easy to read, great thread!

Z_Rocks 07-12-2010 07:14 PM

Excellent work.
"X" means included or eXcluded?

IPSjeff 07-12-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_Rocks (Post 2089547)
Excellent work.
"X" means included or eXcluded?

Included :)

n2oSS 07-13-2010 01:11 AM

i am liking you guys set up, still waiting though to see how these things run after some time is on em.

MileMAN402 07-13-2010 08:25 AM

nice! maybe pricing if the other vendors chime in?

fkscamaro 07-15-2010 07:17 AM

nice ! what about the price ?! i cant find it

IPSjeff 07-15-2010 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fkscamaro (Post 2099810)
nice ! what about the price ?! i cant find it

I forgot about pricing but I will add that in for sure :)
Jeff

Cole@Fastlane 07-15-2010 10:30 AM

A nice spread sheet.Good info

IPSjeff 07-15-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole@Fastlane (Post 2100477)
A nice spread sheet.Good info

Almost have your "Section" updated now :)
Jeff

PS -- I could not fit another column for power with twin-pumps due to just using print/screen to post it up (You can see where it cut the bottom line off already).

Cole@Fastlane 07-15-2010 11:24 AM

check PM Jeff.

IPSjeff 07-15-2010 11:37 AM

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/...3e6b5cbf_b.jpg

IPSjeff 07-15-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole@Fastlane (Post 2100706)
check PM Jeff.

Sorry, I will play with it a little more and see how I can fit it in. I would have to add 2 extra lines for L99/LS3 twin-pump dyno numbers and I am running out of room.

Your other issue is that I am catching all kinds of hell about possibly running 8.2 or 8.5 or 8.8 psi instead of a flat 8psi on pump gas so if I toss your 11-psi numbers in there (While still on pump gas) I am sure it is going to be even worse :D

Let me see what I can do...
Jeff

Ivan @ Southwest Speed 07-15-2010 12:52 PM

Nice Spreadsheet. Once it's complete and you can compare apples to apples it will be sweet!

Really helpful to see exactly what the extra money you're spending for.

-Ivan :)

ipimpthisc 07-15-2010 07:10 PM

excellent ,,,this is very interesting, but are there vid with dyno #'s and verification?

IPSjeff 07-15-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ipimpthisc (Post 2102809)
excellent ,,,this is very interesting, but are there vid with dyno #'s and verification?

All had dyno confirmations and most had videos as well :)

I didn't use any numbers that were just posted or "Assumed" without a graph being posted.
Jeff

ipimpthisc 07-18-2010 06:53 PM

bump...excellent!!!!! this pretty much is gonna help me make my choice...thanks jeff...kudos

Granatelli 07-21-2010 03:05 PM

Just Remember this is Jeff at IPS post so it sways his way

ipimpthisc 07-21-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Granatelli (Post 2125590)
Just Remember this is Jeff at IPS post so it sways his way

ok i agree...so make your won post or chart...its an open forum...as a consumer i want the best choice and product...match or exceed him, and they will come. I think we all agree on this.. I will go turbo 99% convinced now i just want the best bang for the buck

IPSjeff 07-21-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Granatelli (Post 2125590)
Just Remember this is Jeff at IPS post so it sways his way

If something isn't right or needs modified in your "Section" all you have to do is ask. I have no interest in "Swaying" anything.
Jeff

ipimpthisc 07-27-2010 01:58 PM

all the vendors should post their videos with , dyno numbers and repeated runs....also ait, real time, psi readings, the works...i think i speak for all members when i say we want to make an informed choice...its not all about numbers, sum people prefer a lil less power, and then their is cost and engine reliability concerns etc.

The 2010 Sin 07-28-2010 12:42 PM

No additions to the graph recently huh?

ipimpthisc 07-28-2010 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 2010 Sin (Post 2152779)
No additions to the graph recently huh?

:paddle: lets beat up jeff....j/k

IPSjeff 07-28-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 2010 Sin (Post 2152779)
No additions to the graph recently huh?

Nothing new no. I have one PM to respond to but to protect the authenticity of the chart I am not going to add anything or "Up" power numbers without a graph being posted or certain additions being added to the manufacturers website. In other words, I don't want somebody to say "Oh yes, we include xyz too" if they don't include it in their kit description or break-down.
Jeff

PS -- Kits like the STS I just don't have any of the info to fill in and have not been contacted about doing so.

Granatelli 07-28-2010 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipimpthisc (Post 2125659)
ok i agree...so make your won post or chart...its an open forum...as a consumer i want the best choice and product...match or exceed him, and they will come. I think we all agree on this.. I will go turbo 99% convinced now i just want the best bang for the buck

Tran - The system admin frowns on venders making comparisons. Every time I blink I get a warning for something or another. We are shipping kits weekly and most of the “ready to buy” customers call the office to get that human touch. It seems to me Hellion said it best. There are many choices out there but it appears that is has come down to 3 companies. Hellion, IPS and Granatelli/TTi.

Hellions claim to fame is great customer service and SS 439 material. They say 439 is better because it is more impervious to corrosion. AHHHH OK but 439 is a ferritic stainless steel designed to resist corrosion in a variety of oxidizing environments from fresh water to boiling acids. This is titanium stabilized, chromium alloy and not intended to exceed 1200 degrees. That does not mean you can’t do it but how many of us drive 140 mph on 118mpg rated tires? No one really crashes and burns but would you want to keep doing it? NO

IPS created a comparo and even after speaking with our staff they still posted what they wanted to. That is why we chose not to get into anymore shoot outs with them.

Granatelli focus’s on real power numbers, we don’t tell people they should be making 795hp on a stock motor, understanding it can be done, but so what it is not a good idea and the customer should not be told otherwise. We say do it right or don’t do it at all. We sell our kits standard with PTE6265 65lb/hr turbos. That gets you instant power from 450 to 1300 based on your boost. Our quality, fit and finish has sold itself for 70 years. We are the same people that designed the famed Novi 2000, the first and only 1000hp 50 State Legal blower when we owned Paxton Superchargers. We are also the same company that has consistently produced the most 1000 hp plus 97-2010 Corvette turbo systems with our partners at TTi, 80% of the Mustangs that race, regardless of mile, top speed, road course or otherwise all use brackets designed or fashioned by or after our design. We have been known for setting the standard to which other are measured and we pride ourselves on that. We do offer Turbonetics turbos to those that want Turbonetics. Our material is T-321 but most don’t know what that is so we say 304 because it is the catch fraze material of choice. In fact, T321 material is highly nickel based and intended to withstand 1500 degree temps for hours on end.
We don’t honk our own horn and brag about stuff that has little to no bearing on your 2010 Camaro because we try to stay focused on the facts at hand. However, since everyone is going that direction, here is our hand built turbo kit on a 320 c.i. engine using T321 header material

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm0tWeQe71E

So bang for buck. We are not the most expensive and we are not teh cheapest - we just feel we offer the best practical twin turbo kit for the Camaro Gen 5. Most have agrred so far.

If there is someone out there that feels we are running the wrong turbos (we are not) we are more then happy to accomodate your request and put whatever turbo you want in its place


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