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Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 03-27-2013, 12:37 PM
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Posted By KarFan
Almost checked every box from this thread and...

Almost checked every box from this thread and then some.
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 08-09-2012, 11:43 PM
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Posted By KarFan
Would anyone have been satisfied if the 2013 1LE...

Would anyone have been satisfied if the 2013 1LE had been badged Z28 instead?
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-25-2012, 10:01 PM
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Posted By KarFan
If I had to single out the likely highest hurdle...

If I had to single out the likely highest hurdle facing a LS7 powered Camaro it would be that when all said and done the MSRP would be a lot closer to the ZL1 price point than the consumer market or...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-12-2012, 06:49 PM
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Posted By KarFan
Electronic steering on the 1LE should also free...

Electronic steering on the 1LE should also free up some HP. GM may not change the advertised HP of the LS3 but I would think 1LE models with dual mode could get real close to BOSS 302 HP numbers.
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-12-2012, 06:35 PM
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Posted By KarFan
We are in agreement that an LS7 in a 1LE is the...

We are in agreement that an LS7 in a 1LE is the closest to a Z28 that GM would have for the 5th Gen Camaro right now. We differ in how strong of a business case that makes for GM and if it’s worth...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-12-2012, 04:26 PM
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Posted By KarFan
I've looked over the thread from time to time...

I've looked over the thread from time to time since it started. I'm just responding to another poster. If my point and several others that have brought it up sounds very similar it's because nothing...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-12-2012, 01:45 PM
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Posted By KarFan
You are partially correct in that to get an LS7...

You are partially correct in that to get an LS7 in a Camaro presents several serious issues preventing it from happening. However due to low productions numbers, content cost is likely a bigger...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-11-2012, 02:58 PM
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Posted By KarFan
The world isn’t sugar coated and neither is the...

The world isn’t sugar coated and neither is the automotive business. If you want to have an educated debate and not just wishful thinking then it is worth realizing some of the issues the Camaro team...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 07-10-2012, 03:28 PM
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Posted By KarFan
It’s nothing personal, just the automotive...

It’s nothing personal, just the automotive business and more specifically GM’s way of doing business.

The premium hand built performance V8 engines were never developed or priced to be in a...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-29-2012, 01:50 PM
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Posted By KarFan
Not to keep going back in circles but essentially...

Not to keep going back in circles but essentially an LS7 powered Camaro with 1LE content is likely closer to ZL1 price once it's all said and done.

While the Boss 302 Laguna Seca is about $50k...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-27-2012, 05:39 PM
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Posted By KarFan
I agree. Except in order for GM to build a...

I agree. Except in order for GM to build a profitable "true Z28" production car at its competitions price point essentially removes the ability to swap a higher HP engine from their lineup.

There...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-27-2012, 05:13 PM
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Posted By KarFan
The car will continue to be updated but as it has...

The car will continue to be updated but as it has been.

ZL1, 45th Anniversary and updated interior for 2012, 1LE along with electric steering across the V8 lineup in 2013 etc...

But don't...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-27-2012, 03:49 PM
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Posted By KarFan
The Camaro design/engineering teams and GM...

The Camaro design/engineering teams and GM powertrain are better served working on the 6th Gen Camaro for 2016MY and 5th Gen V8 for 2014MY than trying to shoehorn a lame duck LS7 as a Z28 into a...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-26-2012, 04:24 PM
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Posted By KarFan
There is more than just the difference in cost...

There is more than just the difference in cost per engine as reflected in the crate engine prices.

GM would also need to certify the LS7 into a Camaro. There will be internal development and...
Forum: Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics 06-25-2012, 05:00 PM
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Posted By KarFan
The hand built LS7 is too expensive to be used in...

The hand built LS7 is too expensive to be used in a Camaro

That's why GM used the lower cost, mass produced, LSA in the ZL1.
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