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Old 12-04-2010, 04:39 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by v6sonoma View Post
The Camaro is and will be fine. Last year was a huge year due to pent up demand. This year is the baseline. Ford DEEPLY discounted it's 2010's and even after that and a much better engine selection they aren't winning. They're are people that are still waiting for the Camaro convertible. My dealer has a woman that has had a deposit on one for 6 years now. People love the Camaro and Convertible lovers have no problem waiting. It will not cannibalize coupe sales in any major way and if it does it'll only mean higher profits. The 2010 Mustang was a joke. If it wasn't for the Camaro ford would have kept selling that boat anchor of a V6 and tired old 4.6L. The 2011 Mustang is what they should have released. It's styling has grown on me over time but it's still the same car as the 2005 with very little change. The Camaro is still fresh and new. We already know the 2012 will have a slight update to the interior and the Z28 will come also. 2014 we'll have a completely new lighter platform for the Camaro. Ford is no longer the king. Reviewers can say what they want but it doesn't matter. Sales do.
1st, there is no way Ford should win, It shouldn't even be a contest. Ford only produces half of what GM does (6000 vs 10000 a month until recently). It is impossible for Ford to outsell GM if GM pushes units 2:1, GM produced 129k 2010s and only sold 99k of them in a 16 month model year, Ford made almost 76k 2010s and sold almost 76k of them. If Ford only made 60% of what GM produced, even if Ford sold 100% of what they made (which it is very close) they could not have outsold GM this year. Ford sold what they put on the lots, GM still had 30k 2010s unsold as of 3 June 2010 when MY11 opened.

The 4.6 was not a joke, it was a 15 year Research and Development tool and is directly responsible for the current 5.0. Why would Ford increase horsepower if there is NO competition. Do you see a GT500 HP increase this year? because there is NO competition...

The Camaro is no longer new, if it was, it wouldn't be slumping after 20 months. I spent 45 minutes with a new Camaro on Monday for a spring photo shoot and I can say, It grew on me pretty quick, the novelty wore off. It is actually the same size as my supervisors 2010 Taurus, I seen them on the road, In fact, he sold it because he was sick of the interior, the mass and he didn't find it appealing anymore.

Yes, sales do matter.. and if GM couldn't pull at least a sales win out this year they would be in the Challengers shoes. The Z28? 12 months away, the Vert? will cannibalize coupe sales as does all convertibles do to their coupe siblings. Interior? its a start, but a new exterior will get them in the lot. Whats next?

Discounts? You mean cash back? Don't be fooled by bonuses that are masked as MSRP adjustments at the end of a models life...

The Camaro shouldn't be neck and neck with a 2005 Mustang GT with a 5.0 and revised front fascia and rear.
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