Originally Posted by Mindz
I don't think you guys understand what he's asking. He wasn't saying why bring back the z28. He's all for it.
He's asking why you think the Z28 would be the top dawg as opposed to the SS. We know they're having a SS model, but they haven't said when they plan to release it so there's a chance it could be the top dog model as well. The general consensus on the board is that the Z28 will show up as the higher tier model, and Blur was asking how a majority of the board came to that conclusion.
Hope this cleared that up. =)
I was asking a sort of complicated question, and that is part of it. Why do you think a Z28 will exist at all, and why is the Z28 superior to the SS by default?
I'm asking the first part because no evidence or references to a 2010 Z28 exist while several such references, including photographs, exist of the SS. Leaks have confirmed the existence of the SS, which fits Chevrolet's current lineup, usually topped with a high-performance SS with a special appearance package of some sort. For example, the HHR SS is significantly different inside and outside. If Chevrolet were to offer the SS package, it would likely include something different than stock appearances, as is the case in other SS models (Trailblazer, Cobalt, etc.). Wouldn't that be a feature of the top trim of the Camaro?
Why can't Chevrolet do this with stage kits or GMPP upgrades?
Originally Posted by 454lsxss
I might be wrong, but I don't think the camaro has ever come in just one model of v8...and if it did, it wasn't for very long. I mean look at how every other car company making pony cars is doing it. Dodge Challenger - Base R/T and SRT8. They only have a 55hp difference but the 6.1l has much more potential than the 5.7l. Ford has their base GT then the Bullitt[spelling?], Regular Shelby model, and they have the Shelby Cobra model, along with a few KR's. So really, GM would be missing out on the crowd that wants just a little more ponies[or in the camaro's case alot more ponies] in their car and is willing to pay more for looks/suspension/power
With all the work that has gone into the Camaro V8 that we have seen on the track, we would expect the same of a high-performance Camaro. Even if it doesn't come out until 2011, shouldn't we have seen some evidence of its existence by now? We would have to see it on the streets with a special race-tuned suspension that rides significantly lower. In order to race tune that suspension, we would have to see it on the track somewhere. Has GM brought anything secret to a track that set record times recently?
Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23
the original reason that the Z28 is higher ranking is because of the RPO codes. (i think theres an echo in here)
Z26 = RS
Z27 = SS
Z28 = Z28
but to some people SS (or Super Sport for that matter) sound a hell of a lot cooler than "Zee twenty-eight" (or Zed twenty-eight if you want to be really on the money).
however GM got to messing with that lineup by badging cars as SS's with a more powerful engine and other goodies back in the 60's (think 396 SS) but there's also the 350 SS so the motor size/power isnt the only factor for basing that off of.
as for the fourth gens, GM only planned on making two models, the v-6 and the v-8, basically the RS (bottom rung) and the Z28 (top dawg). then after they started selling like hot cakes, they decided to start throwing out a souped up version of the car from the dealerships that was modified by SLP and GMMG and still under factory warranty. but what to name this modified Z28? we dont want to just call it a Z28... hmmm what name hasnt been used.......????? oh, SS! and from there, the mindset was locked in that the SS was the top dawg over the Z28.
as for why there is the thought of a possible Z28 supercharged top dawg? cus the car isnt out yet, there has been no one from GM saying "no, there will not be a Z28", which leaves it open to our imaginations. add into that, the fact that we know GM likes to hand down motors from the vette to the camaro, so we'll just have to see.
I'm glad to leave this to the imagination, but no one is saying that they hope there is a Z28. A lot of people are saying that they're holding out for it.
That's why I asked if they could forgive GM for not producing it.
Sure, the RPO code is clearly the tier above SS and RS, but does that mean GM has to stick to that order? While the Z06 is the top production Corvette, excluding the special edition ZR1, the SS is to top trim for everything else. There is no longer a Z24, and the Z71 is not a performance trim. What makes the Z28 so essential that GM cannot do without it?
I know what you're going to say: "Ford has a GT500 so Chevy has to compete with it."
That is brilliant business sense, and I completely agree, but I will continue to play the devil's advocate and argue that Ford shares are rapidly approaching $0 and GM is not far behind. What makes Ford worthy of competition when neither company can stabilize their prices? Just because Ford is about to jump off the market bridge doesn't mean GM has to follow with products people cannot afford, especially when those products come at the additional cost of gas. The people that get them will be true enthusiasts and millionaires who will store them with their Ferraris, but most of us will only admire this mystery top trim, so why should GM even bother to build it?
Originally Posted by diarmadhi
Call it a pinto, Im after the Base V8.
I'm in the same boat. I want a V8 Camaro, too. The low cost of the V6 would be phenomenal if the RS had a package like in the GMPP accessories thread. All evidence points in that direction. At the same token, I've wanted this car for so long, and I've been rolling around in what feels like a dumpster, so I want my dream V8 Camaro. I'll never be able to afford everyone's expected top trim, so I'll be delighted to drive a 400-hp street monster.