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Old 03-30-2013, 10:54 AM   #338
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Originally Posted by racer50200 View Post
Well said! GM cannot possibly build the perfect car for everyone. The Z/28 is a magnificent car and lives up to its heritage which is the best street-legal Camaro track car that Chevrolet can produce. If it's not what you want, don't buy it. But frankly, I'm pretty disappointed with the amount of, shall we say, 'complaining' that is going on here. I'm amazed at the choices that are available in the Camaro lineup. Find one that fits your needs, buy it, if necessary mod it, and enjoy. Or go buy a Mustang! But don't 'complain' because GM didn't make exactly what you want.

And remember what fbodfather said about CAFE standards. I believe his point was that there was no way that GM was going to stick the LS7 in a 1LE and sell it as a $5k upgrade. I don't think GM has the CAFE room to sell 10,000 of those things so I don't think that would ever happen. At this rate, the only way GM is going to be able to live within our government's CAFE standards and increase performance for the masses is with the gen6 when they reduce the Camaro's mass. And then it may necessitate a TTV6. I am definitely going to get stock in Kleenex before they announce that!!

All of this over a name....?? The car that everyone seems to want (the '80s Z/28 which was was a street car with some performance improvements) already exists! That is exactly the roll of the 1LE. It will eat a stock SS's lunch all day long (and most Mustang's, for that matter) for only a few dollars more than the SS.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't hate because it's not what you expected or wanted. Look at the Z/28 and be amazed at what GM can do when it wants to! The Camaro lineup ROCKS!!!
CAFE is an extremely small portion that shouldnt even matter. An ls7 in a camaro and only getting 15mpg if its not a major contender in sales shouldn't make a difference to CAFE. It's based on a stages among 4 fleets. Producing 5000 (52000 produced in 2010 so I'm going on 10%) Z-28s does not constitute a fleet when you can slip the ZL-1 in its place; but marginally an SS would represent the camaro with CAFE. When you're producing a small amount of cars that will not make up a large percent sold, that car is non existent within CAFE standards.

Example. Oil refineries produce certain amount of pollution. Large one produce more than small refineries. In USA we have cap credits. Of a small percent don't produce too much pollution, the larger refinery can purchase the cap credits from the smaller do that they don't get a fine for not adhering to their cap max.

This means 5000 Z-28s isn't enough to be thrown into CAFE when chevy has trucks, camaros, spark and impala. How many camaros are made a yr?
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