[JusticePete]

Camaro 1:33.6
Saleen Mustang 1:33.9







The information from the data logging equipment is fascinating.

Camaro Actual 1:33.62 Theoretical 1:33.10
Saleen Actual 1.33.89 Theoretical 1.33.87

Camaro and Saleen COMBINED THEORETICAL 1.32.78

Top Speed Camaro 110.26 Top Speed Saleen 112.74

Maximum Lateral G Camaro 1.4053 Saleen 1.2633

Maximum Power Output kW Camaro 219.13 Saleen 224.03

Maximum Toque Output Nm Camaro 794.23 Saleen 820.79

Braking Gs Camaro -1.2019 Saleen -1.2869

What we learned from the Supercar Shootout

Power: The Saleen makes better power in the heat than the LS3 Camaro. On the dyno the Mustang looked like a weak little sister. On the track the Mustang kicked sand in the face of the LS3. The results would be very different on a cooler day as the Camaro would run closer to the dyno RWHP.

Brakes: The Saleen six piston 15" front brakes equipped with Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR2 pads rear were absolutely AWESOME. The harder we ran the better they performed. This is in stark contrast to the OE brakes on the GT. We'll take the Camaro SS front and rear Brembos all day long. The CTS-V brakes suffered from our pad selection. I choose Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR3 pads rear. The XR3 compound was too mild creating brake bias issues and hurting the performance of the CTS-V brakes. With XR2 compound pads in the rear we believe the brakes would have been a dead heat with both in the EXCELLENT range.

IRS vs. Live Axle: This is a no brainer, no contest Camaro smack down. Even though the Mustang out braked and out accelerated the Camaro the Camaro beat the Mustang around Gingerman. We did everything we could to balance the Mustang with the three arms rear axle and limited suspension travel. We did achieve a ridiculous level of front to rear and cross weight balance. There was a price to be paid. The ride height setup limited the Saleen’s ability to put down power coming out of the corners. The next time out we will run with SOFTER rear coils that are taller leaving more room for the solid axle to work. That will improve the times on the Saleen.

Tires: We knew the Bridgestone RE-11s were good, yet they always surprise us with the amount of stick, grip and feel. Both the Saleen and the Camaro were equipped with Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19 front and rear running on custom offset Frogeline ultra light weight racing wheels. They are incredibly consistent and we feel the best combination track street tire available in the market.

Summary: The Camaro won this event. 3/10s of a second on a 1.88 mile course is close on one lap. Over twenty laps it would add up to a substantial victory. That would have been the case on this test day IF the cars remained consistent and don't fade as the laps accumulate. They do so the question would be which one would fade less. We will leave that to you to decide.

Every time we test or go to the track we win because we learn more. The setup on the Mustang will be different the next time out and faster. How am I certain, because we are already running it. The Camaro will have the brakes sorted and be faster as well. That means we plan to pass the Ford GT and the average time of the TOP TEN T1 cars that run at Gingerman in STREET CARS with STREET TIRES.

Other companies tell you they have this race car or they test a car in a vacuum. Pedders puts it all out in the Camaro5 forum the benefit of the Camaro5 community. We show you step by step how to install CTS-V brakes, walk you through thermal management and event provide detail on exactly how our cars have been setup. We are an open book. We also just happen to have the BEST HANDLING AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR SUSPENSIONS ON THE STREET OR TRACK and the RIDE QUALITY IS AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THE SPECTACULAR LAP TIMES!