C&R ZL1 Brick - Anyone tried it?

[rpol78]

Just curious if anyone has tried C&R Racing's intercooler brick? It looks like it has the same construction as the brick in the Kong lid so I'm guessing C&R is making Kong's brick.

$1399 seem like a lot for a brick but if it lowers IATs it would be a good upgrade.

https://www.crracing.com/product/lsa...-15-camaro-zl1

[Shodown]

Screw that. My Killer Chiller was less than that with way better cooling.

[rpol78]

FYI - From C&R

"We have got some recent studies. We are better than OEM. Temperature differentials are lower on average.
The CTS-V version of the LSA did perform better than the ZL1 but that is most likely due to lid design. Both were though, only marginally better than OEM.
The benefits of a lighter brick that is much stronger than the OEM is the main upgraded over OEM. Possibly opening up the water side some may work better but the test was also done using another company’s supercharger heat exchanger. Both paired together would yield better results.

Stock ZL1 Lid and Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 44.66deg
Stock lid with PWR Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 38.33deg

Stock CTS-V Lid and Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 32.33deg
Stock CTS-V Lid and PWR Brick : IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 29.66deg

Both lids and bricks were test on a 12 CTS-V, Stock bottom end, Ported Heads, Cam, headers, Pulleys. Car average boost is between 14-15psi."

[sinisterZL1]

So has anyone tried them?

[bsn]

I have one, did a pump upgrade and larger heat exchanger at the same time so I can't say how much a difference in cooling it would make. i don't think it would make enough difference to justify its $1,300 price, it is a well built unit and not prone to failure under high boost so that justified the cost for me.

[sinisterZL1]

Originally Posted by bsn

I have one, did a pump upgrade and larger heat exchanger at the same time so I can't say how much a difference in cooling it would make. i don't think it would make enough difference to justify its $1,300 price, it is a well built unit and not prone to failure under high boost so that justified the cost for me.

Ok thanks , sounds like its not worth it to me then as i already have a reinforced brick.

[bsn]

I want to say I saw somewhere it was something like a seven degree difference between the two which is really nothing.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by rpol78

FYI - From C&R

"We have got some recent studies. We are better than OEM. Temperature differentials are lower on average.
The CTS-V version of the LSA did perform better than the ZL1 but that is most likely due to lid design. Both were though, only marginally better than OEM.
The benefits of a lighter brick that is much stronger than the OEM is the main upgraded over OEM. Possibly opening up the water side some may work better but the test was also done using another company’s supercharger heat exchanger. Both paired together would yield better results.

Stock ZL1 Lid and Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 44.66deg
Stock lid with PWR Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 38.33deg

Stock CTS-V Lid and Brick: IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 32.33deg
Stock CTS-V Lid and PWR Brick : IAT 2 Temp Differential Average was 29.66deg

Both lids and bricks were test on a 12 CTS-V, Stock bottom end, Ported Heads, Cam, headers, Pulleys. Car average boost is between 14-15psi."

I am surprised they did not note that the CTSV brick is much larger than the ZL1 Brick, and alluded to the lid design which is definitely not the case.

The lid itself had nothing to do with it in my opinion.

I ran this CTSV VS ZL1 lid test 5-6 years ago when all the CTSV guys were on the ZL1 Lid kick, The CTSV lid did much better at Temp Delta due to the larger Brick.

It definitely looks better than the CTSV lid, but does not work as well.

The Brick is the Limiter in all of this, so any upgrades to the Brick is far better money spent than any other option.

All the Tanks, heat exchangers, pumps, fittings do nothing on the stock brick.

The reinforcement is laughable if considered to be an upgrade.

Get the C&R it is good investment.