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Old 10-25-2009, 10:03 AM   #126
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AHAHA my idea of the 4.0l twin turbo DI v8 is alive and well.

0-60 = 4.3sec
1/4 mile = 12.25-12.50
nurbergiring = 8 minutes 12 seconds. to knock 30 plus seconds off that lap time would need some serious tickering
A 4.0L motor from GM would most likely be based on the LLT which can be pushed out to those dimensions. It is cheaper and more practical at that displacement to make the engine a 6 cylinder.
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Old 10-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #127
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That is called a supercharger. There is no such thing as a belt driven turbocharger.
That reminds me of this question...
"What's the difference between mules, donkeys, burros, and jackasses?"

Turbo = turbine ... check

charger = air compressor ... check

belt driven ... check

You can call an ass a donkey, but it's still an ass.
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I am curious why people would want a supercharged/turbocharged V6 over an LS3 from the factory....
There are many advantages the LS3 has....
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That reminds me of this question...
"What's the difference between mules, donkeys, burros, and jackasses?"

Turbo = turbine ... check There is no turbine in a centrifugal supercharger.......
charger = air compressor ... check
belt driven ... check

You can call an ass a donkey, but it's still an ass.
....and supercharger is driven by a belt. A turbocharger is not. This is universally the case. I don't see how the two can be confused.
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Old 10-25-2009, 01:05 PM   #129
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I am curious why people would want a supercharged/turbocharged V6 over an LS3 from the factory....
There are many advantages the LS3 has....

....and supercharger is driven by a belt. A turbocharger is not. This is universally the case. I don't see how the two can be confused.
The rotrex is a belt driven turbine. You say toematoe I say tomotto
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Old 10-25-2009, 02:03 PM   #130
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Ok then, I want to Tomatoecharge my Camaro.

Sweeeeet, can have fries with that too.
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Old 10-25-2009, 02:05 PM   #131
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Ok then, I want to Tomatoecharge my Camaro.

Sweeeeet, can have fries with that too.
Sooooo are you saing the z28 will come with fries.....


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Old 10-25-2009, 02:06 PM   #132
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But, and I'm not saying this is right, but isn't a supercharger a mechanically driven air compressor and a turbocharger an exhaust gas driven compressor?

That's how I've always looked at them.

It just so happens that most superchargers are scroll type.

And that just makes me wonder what the definition of a SUPERcharger is vs. say just a charger?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Shno is that beer cold yet?
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Old 10-25-2009, 02:50 PM   #133
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But, and I'm not saying this is right, but isn't a supercharger a mechanically driven air compressor and a turbocharger an exhaust gas driven compressor?

That's how I've always looked at them.

It just so happens that most superchargers are scroll type.

And that just makes me wonder what the definition of a SUPERcharger is vs. say just a charger? EXXXactly... who decided the definition?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Shno is that beer cold yet?


Kind of like kids calling wheels...'rims'

It's almost all semantics.... If someone can prove me wrong, I'll kiss a pretty girl... in public even.

Call me a liar, but I think the rotrex is vane.

.... Of course even a scroll could be called a vane I guess... See there? It's those dam semantics.

... Oh yeah... Ram Air DOES exist beaches!
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:03 PM   #134
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Kind of like kids calling wheels...'rims'

It's almost all semantics.... If someone can prove me wrong, I'll kiss a pretty girl... in public even.

Call me a liar, but I think the rotrex is vane.
Sooooo, you will penalize yourself by kissing a pretty girl in public, ehhhh?

That's really risking alot. LOL

I might do that just for fun. Mrs. Number 3 and I are going grocery getting so I'll kiss her in public and tell you what horrible things befall me for doing that.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:08 PM   #135
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Yes, MC69, the Rotrex is a vane supercharger (it is very much in love with itself).

http://www.rotrex.com/index1.htm

It is a mechanically driven vane supercharger. So on the business end it looks like a turbo, but on the driving end it is a belt drive rather than exhaust gas vane driven.

It looks like an interesting drive mechanism too.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:18 PM   #136
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Shno is that beer cold yet?
Makes you want to put your hand into your monitor dont it??


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We took care of the place while you were gone.
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Sooooo, you will penalize yourself by kissing a pretty girl in public, ehhhh?

That's really risking alot. LOL

I might do that just for fun. Mrs. Number 3 and I are going grocery getting so I'll kiss her in public and tell you what horrible things befall me for doing that.
Yeah, but what if I were to kiss her in public... NOW you see the risk

And NO... You guys don't get to choose the girl
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Yes, MC69, the Rotrex is a vane supercharger (it is very much in love with itself).

http://www.rotrex.com/index1.htm

It is a mechanically driven vane supercharger. So on the business end it looks like a turbo, but on the driving end it is a belt drive rather than exhaust gas vane driven.

It looks like an interesting drive mechanism too.
Yeah, but is it a TURBOcharger? Was turbo derived from turbine?

..... I forgot what we were talking about... Did someone mention cold beer and fries?

Oh yeah, Is an LS3 really just a fancy air compressor? A SUPERcompressor? (TURBOcompressor?)
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Hey Mac...

We took care of the place while you were gone.
Lol.... thaaaaaanks!

Now if only we had something to spice it up....... Like some fresh news
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Makes you want to put your hand into your monitor dont it??


Thanks, now my monitor has a big scratch on it.

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Yeah, too bad as a moderator you had to clean up too by eliminating all the posts on that car that doesn't exist. Shnomac would be sad knowing everything you deleted.

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Lol.... thaaaaaanks!

Now if only we had something to spice it up....... Like some fresh news
Straight off the presses......................the Camaro is selling like hot cakes.
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Straight off the presses......................the Camaro is selling like hot cakes.
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Yeah, but what if I were to kiss her in public... NOW you see the risk

And NO... You guys don't get to choose the girl

Yeah, but is it a TURBOcharger? Was turbo derived from turbine?

..... I forgot what we were talking about... Did someone mention cold beer and fries?

Oh yeah, Is an LS3 really just a fancy air compressor? A SUPERcompressor? (TURBOcompressor?)
Well I kissed Mrs. 3 at the grocery store and nothing bad happened. So now I understand what you meant.

Websters helps us a lot on the definition.

tur⋅bo⋅charg⋅er  /ˈtɜrboʊˌtʃɑrdʒər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tur-boh-chahr-jer] Show IPA
–noun a supercharger that is driven by a turbine turned by exhaust gases from the engine.

Also called turbo.

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1930–35; turbo- + (super)charger




So I think they are all superchargers, just a subset of them are driven by exhaust gasses.
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Well I kissed Mrs. 3 at the grocery store and nothing bad happened. So now I understand what you meant.
Not even a "That was random"?
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heheh I was waiting to see what the news would be.....
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It's almost all semantics.... If someone can prove me wrong, I'll kiss a pretty girl... in public even.
pucker up....

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TURBINE: any of various machines having a rotor, usually with vanes or blades, driven by the pressure, momentum, or reactive thrust of a moving fluid, as steam, water, hot gases, or air, either occurring in the form of free jets or as a fluid passing through and entirely filling a housing around the rotor.
Since a turbocharger is dependent on a turbine, and a turbine is driven by fluid pressure......then NO belt-driven anything can be called a turbocharger, because it doesn't have a turbine.....

The Rotrex is just a fancy Procharger...
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Yeah, but what if I were to kiss her in public... NOW you see the risk

And NO... You guys don't get to choose the girl

Yeah, but is it a TURBOcharger? Was turbo derived from turbine?

..... I forgot what we were talking about... Did someone mention cold beer and fries?

Oh yeah, Is an LS3 really just a fancy air compressor? A SUPERcompressor? (TURBOcompressor?)
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pucker up....


Since a turbocharger is dependent on a turbine, and a turbine is driven by fluid pressure......then NO belt-driven anything can be called a turbocharger, because it doesn't have a turbine.....

The Rotrex is just a fancy Procharger...
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It seems I've pleased the man. He'll reward me with holy information, yes?
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You will find the holy grail....



Before we get any holy information.....
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Ok here is your Holy information for today


...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceedest on to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceedest on to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
So...the hand grenade is the Z/28....the lord is General Motors, and Saint Attila is Fbodfather.....and in no more than three...something (years? Months? Martian months? X-time in dimension Sulu?)....it shall be lobbed at the competition so that they may be smited into tiny bits...


Interesting, very interesting......



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