02-28-2021, 04:33 PM | #379 |
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I had come to believe that Chevy/Camaro interiors would always be sub-par in order to not step on the toes of Buick and Cadillac....Don't forget we are talking about Chevys here. The pecking order must be upheld....lol..
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02-28-2021, 05:46 PM | #380 | |
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he places no value on interior features. He only values performance. You could git the interior and put in a plywood dash wrapped in boat trailer carpet and he would still say the ZL1 is a great buy because of its performance. He is the buyer Chevy made Camaro's for, You are advocating for the normal people who have a certain level of expectations regarding what should come with a car at a given price. Much like how a dealer will not give you much extra on trade in because you added underglow LEDs, a twin turbo kit, cam, intake and exhaust, because that value is subjective and may mean nothing to the next buyer who is simply looking for reliable transportation..... The fact that the Camaro can perform so well does not outweigh the $30,000 interior to somebody who expects a $70,000 car to feel like a $70,000 car on the inside
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02-28-2021, 05:53 PM | #381 | |
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So how do you balance that view with the fact that Mustangs and Challengers have upped their performance so much. We have already seen that those two sell better because they have more routine usability (despite very similar performance levels when properly equipped). So if the Camaro performance was lower, how many fewer cars would sell? and what would even be the point of having it if people could then buy Mustangs and have better performing and more usable cars?
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02-28-2021, 06:29 PM | #382 |
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It’s clear at this point GM has no clue what buyers want or they don’t care.
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So now they’ve quit abiding by that unwritten rule that no GM vehicle can outperform the Corvette but they’re charging more than a Corvette for it. That’s the problem I have. |
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02-28-2021, 07:09 PM | #384 | |
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Not saying you're wrong, just that I dont see a reason that things shouldn't improve unless something else improves more. Its like saying that towing and hauling capabilities shouldn't improve on pickups, because there's dually's and big rigs........ Or that you shouldnt get a pay raise for improved work performance, because people senior to you have not improved as much and you can't get paid more than them because they were their first and have a higher position than you. Again, not trying to say that you are wrong, or disrespect your opinion... just trying to explain my view and why it is harder for me to agree with you,
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Or maybe you couldn't find one because, just perhaps, it doesn't exist? As I have said, this is a sports car. If you think Camaro interior is bad for $70k, I think you will have a heart attack when you see the interior of a Nissan GT-R. Yeah Mazda has good interior but most of them are FWD(or FWD-based AWD) and the most powerful engine option is the 2.5T, which is a great engine for daily driving but it's not made to be a performance engine. Go back to when Mazda made real sports cars like FD RX-7. That interior is like C5 Corvette-level stuff. RWD inherently will cost more than a FWD to manufacture. And while we are at the $20k~$30k mark, go yell at Toyota and Nissan for the crappy interior on the 86 and 370Z, too. And make sure you don't leave Ford out with the Mustang. I am sure lots of their buyers are also complaining... Or are they? Quote:
I say that, given what's available on the market right now, I think Camaro's interior isn't bad. I actually place some value on interior features. The 2SS is pretty good on that front with heated/ventilated seats, blindspot monitoring, etc. What I don't mind the fact that everything is hard plastic too much. I daily drive my car, but I don't live in the car so it's whatever. And it's fun enough that I don't even notice if it's hard plastic or some exotic wood carved out of a 1000-year old tree. Someone who cares about interior of a $70k car will not be looking at a Camaro, or any pony car, or heck, any sports car to start with. They would probably be hitting a Mercedes or Lexus dealer instead.
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02-28-2021, 08:47 PM | #386 |
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I hope this car lives on, it is the only GM car I would buy, Corvette is a maybe.
Although, I wish GM would understand that even with these sales its worth money. Let's say at the least, the average price of a Camaro is 31,000 and sold 29,000 cars, that's nearly a billion dollar name. Although, knowing GM, they will not care or learn from anything. |
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02-28-2021, 10:57 PM | #388 |
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Off the top of your head, how many people know if they still make the Malibu, or the Impala? Who knows what they look like from memory? Probably few do or can. That sucks! Terrible branding and marketing. In fact how many people recognize the vehicles by name in the commercial? You know the Vette, maybe the pickup, but the other sh!t is just a passing whim. Marketing sucks. Who here remembers when someone said Impala, Nova, Chevelle, etc...we knew exactly what they looked like and what they were. Even your grandmother knew.
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02-28-2021, 11:35 PM | #390 | |
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Yeah, tech stocks slumped this week. That's what gm wants to be.
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Why should someone, with a $70k trim ,give a damn if someone, with a $25-30k one, likes their own car? |
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Base Mazda3 interior is actually not bad for what it is, but it also comes with a 2.0 engine, and it's definitely not a performance-oriented unit. I know what Number 3 is trying to say but I just feel like it's asking quite a lot out of $70k to get the same performance like a ZL1 1LE while you still want a luxurious interior, and remember, these cars don't usually go for MSRP.
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03-01-2021, 12:22 AM | #392 |
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What are the specific beefs with the ZL1 interior though?
I do lean toward the Camaro having to tangentially compete with the warm hatches, but definitely not emulate them. And I don't consider myself investment savvy. Just keep tabs on some stuff. |
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