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Old 10-28-2009, 05:32 PM   #18
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I saw a thread regarding the STS kits and they are projecting a much higher cost and seem to have maintained quite a bit of interest. The price will directly depend on how much it costs us to build. We aren't a greedy company, we just want to provide a quality product to our customers for a fair price.

We will be upgrading the fuel system without a doubt.
Haven't seen the STS V6 thread.... i go take a peek... LOL!

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Old 10-28-2009, 05:44 PM   #19
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Well folks I have a V-8 turbo camaro and have to say I love it. If you have never driven a turbo car you are missing out. Great thing about turbos are they are only there when you need it. Press the pedal wham its there. Drive normal no difference except I went from 23 mpg to 27 mpg driven on the same stretch of road 650 miles. As far as upgrading fuel system. I went from 425 hp to 728 hp and 610 rwhp with only injectors and tune change with my turbo. Oh yea we added a KB boost pump too. Once you go Turbo you never go back.

Good job guys there are alot of V-6 guys looking for this you will do well.
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Old 10-28-2009, 05:54 PM   #20
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Thank you for the support!!

The V6 Camaros are direct injection (which I'm sure many of you know). A direct injection fuel system is based on pressure and is very "tunable" with the right tool(s) and know how.
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:18 PM   #21
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a friend talked to me about a turbo and tune, mentioning that with the VVT, direct injection and a proper tune, this little v6 will be smoking, ala Grand National back in the day.

i'm a motor guy, but lack knowledge when it comes to turbos, so forgive me if my next question is, well, stupid, for lack of a better word.

my friend stated that one might be able to hold the exhaust valve open a millisecond or so during the intake stroke. this would allow a minute portion of gas to exit the cylinder and enter the turbo where the heat would cause combustion. he goes on to say this would allow for the turbo to spool up faster and make it even moree efficient and productive. is that true?

also, and maybe i'm out of place here, but i think if someone is giving you a car to basicly thrash on, the donor car should recieve a turbo package at no charge. it's not like you're not going to be beating on that car's motor with dyno pulls, tuning and just daily driving tests. just a discounted price for being without a fairly rare and brand new car just doesn't cut it IMHO.
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:28 PM   #22
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a friend talked to me about a turbo and tune, mentioning that with the VVT, direct injection and a proper tune, this little v6 will be smoking, ala Grand National back in the day.

i'm a motor guy, but lack knowledge when it comes to turbos, so forgive me if my next question is, well, stupid, for lack of a better word.

my friend stated that one might be able to hold the exhaust valve open a millisecond or so during the intake stroke. this would allow a minute portion of gas to exit the cylinder and enter the turbo where the heat would cause combustion. he goes on to say this would allow for the turbo to spool up faster and make it even moree efficient and productive. is that true?

also, and maybe i'm out of place here, but i think if someone is giving you a car to basicly thrash on, the donor car should recieve a turbo package at no charge. it's not like you're not going to be beating on that car's motor with dyno pulls, tuning and just daily driving tests. just a discounted price for being without a fairly rare and brand new car just doesn't cut it IMHO.
actually... keeping the exhaust valve open a bit is what the big turbo dragsters do! That's why the have a very high, rough idle... Not sure you want to do that with a normal car though!

As for the donor car... yeah... I would tend to agree with you.. everyone that I know that's been a test mule for this kind of mod basically simply keeps the kit...
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:30 PM   #23
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I think it would sell well. A turbo V6 is different and different is cool. When you line up side by side at the track with a stock mustang and say "I have a v6." then smoke him it's gotta be fun. I have a V8 so I'm not the target market here, but there's def people who will go for this.
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:38 PM   #24
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What you are referring to is "Anti-Lag." And yes, it basically causes combustion inside the turbo making it spool up instantaneously at the cost of shorter lifespan of the turbo in most cases due to the INSANE amount of heat created. Rally racers have been using it for years and drag racers have started using it over the past years to current as well.

As for the donor car, we won't be "thrashing" on it as you say. We will be dyno tuning it which is a heavily monitored and scientific process that will properly take the engine to the capable power goals in a progressive manner. Expecting a turbo kit for free is a little steep. The car will be very well taken care of.
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:29 PM   #25
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What you are referring to is "Anti-Lag." And yes, it basically causes combustion inside the turbo making it spool up instantaneously at the cost of shorter lifespan of the turbo in most cases due to the INSANE amount of heat created. Rally racers have been using it for years and drag racers have started using it over the past years to current as well.

As for the donor car, we won't be "thrashing" on it as you say. We will be dyno tuning it which is a heavily monitored and scientific process that will properly take the engine to the capable power goals in a progressive manner. Expecting a turbo kit for free is a little steep. The car will be very well taken care of.
But in fact "stuff happens"... I wouldn't be surprised if people who are trying to develop power adders for the LLT pop a few motors along the way... in fact Lingefelter kind of implied this with the "got to break a few eggs to make an omelet" comment...
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:33 PM   #26
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:37 PM   #27
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In the 30 years this place has been open we have never blown a motor on a R&D project and would accept full responsibility if we did. We are very experienced in this process and have no doubt it will be successful if someone will step up and donate their car. We've done R&D for the Turbonetics Ford Mustang kits, the Lexus IS-F and many others with no problems.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:33 AM   #28
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As great as a V6 turbo kit would be, many of us did get V6's because of the cost and fuel economy. Also, I'm sure the warranty is important to many V6 drivers.

Paying $6-$7.5k to get SS level performance, lose fuel economy AND void our warranties is asking a LOT. Not to mention we have to worry about smogging our cars in the future.

If it were CARB legal, then that would be a HUGE plus ..... but otherwise, this is a tough sale.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:20 AM   #29
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And Lingefelter bought their test mules. Again, not trying to be harsh, but you are asking someone to donate their car, which at this stage is still fairly rare and more then likely very close to being brand new, if not brand new, so that you can R & D, T & T, on it until things are correct. On a dyno, or on a street/strip (and i would hope that you would put whatever system you design on the street for real world testing. a dyno is a great tool, but it is no replacement for the actually rigors of the real world). With all that testing comes mistakes, lesser then expected response, ie; scrming and intake part II, and possibly just an accident.

In short, to say that giving up a turbo package that might cost $6500 to someone who is donating a car that cost at least $21k, in my case $28k, for you to test, tune and play with is a bit steep, well, that's just not saying much for the people and their cars. I would gladly send you my car if the finished product came back with it, and the guarantee that if anything broke while you had it would be replaced. I wouldn't touch it for just an offer of the guarantee and a discount. I'm the one doing all the giving, I should get something in return.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:57 PM   #31
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A $7,000 V6 kit is a good idea, it will give you the option. Good stuff is what it's all about and you get what you pay for. A good turbo will run about $1500 bucks. Wastegates are another $300-500. A blowoff valve is $300+. Stainless steel tubing is in the $300 range.

Now lets talk about the intercooler. A bell core is $800 bucks without tanks. All of the aluminum tubing is about $200. Vband clamps can cost up to $400. You already have over $4,000 just in parts before you start with the fuel system, and pay people to build it for you and back the parts they sell. That's with all good stuff and no worries.

Just looked on eBay and can build a kit for about $4500 bucks out the door. That will include a no name turbo that leaks, a blow me valve from China, a wastegate that comes from a site call cheapturboparts dort com, some steel tubing that will rust in a couple of months, and a nice ricer intercooler that is going to leak. The best part is there is no warranty! You will be working on your car more than you get to drive it!

Not trying to be a negative Nancy. I know a $7000-8000 turbo kit seems like a lot, but if you do it right it won't cost you in the long run.
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i just feel that a twin turbo, or even a single turbo should make way more power than you are projecting. I am interested in this turbo though.
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:50 PM   #33
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i just feel that a twin turbo, or even a single turbo should make way more power than you are projecting. I am interested in this turbo though.

Since they have been busy ill try and help them a little here.. The turbo kit is capable of making more power then stated above( the beauty of turbo kit is the boost controller) the STOCK motor is whats limiting the numbers ...Im sure someone will make 500 with a stock 6 banger but not for long...A good turbo/performance shop is not going to push the limits of the stock motor...


Just play with them a little
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