Cold Air Intake Independent Testing Results by Jannetty Racing

[nuptualnemesis]

Originally Posted by axis

It does when it's relevant. Bringing it up just to bash a test is WORTHLESS, as in your case. I was merely asking a question as to why they ran his TUNE up to 13.5. If you care to chime in on why they might have done that, then have at it. If you just want to go around to different threads TRYING to find something that MIGHT vendicate you, LOOK ELSEWHERE. You were WRONG, deal with it and move on. You only make yourself look worse, although I don't know how much worse you can look.

Isn't your pity party thread needing a bump?

I only took a picture of the first dyno run prior to tuning the AFR. I think final tune was around 12.8 and lost one hp. The motor was hotter and may have increased hp for final tune if cold. I will get the other pull and post it on the Halltech thread.

Sorry, I didn't know everyone was so picky. I said in the post we let off at 6,500 on the first pull and all we had done was sweep the MAF code 116% on the prior tune for the stock air box. I thought this was the most relevant run but I will post the other pull as well in the Halltech thread.

I did not intend this to be a comparison to the prior shoot out. I just thought someone might want to know what this intake did with AR Headers, a big cam and a tune.

[axis]

Originally Posted by nuptualnemesis

I only took a picture of the first dyno run prior to tuning the AFR. I think final tune was around 12.8 and lost one hp. The motor was hotter and may have increased hp for final tune if cold. I will get the other pull and post it on the Halltech thread.

Sorry, I didn't know everyone was so picky. I said in the post we let off at 6,500 on the first pull and all we had done was sweep the MAF code 116% on the prior tune for the stock air box. I thought this was the most relevant run but I will post the other pull as well in the Halltech thread.

I did not intend this to be a comparison to the prior shoot out. I just thought someone might want to know what this intake did with AR Headers, a big cam and a tune.

Not your problem. We have a member that's trying to vendicate himself in any thread that mentions AFR's. It's a nice gain, just noticing a few things, hence the reason I asked.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

Jim Hall"

CAI testing was done by some buddies of mine and they came to the following conclusion also "we have already tested AFR's from very rich to safely lean and found that AFR is simply a thermal protection and there was no power loss nor gain going from around 12.0:1-13.0:1"

Granted every car is different so results may vary plus adding more fuel sometimes allows for more timing thus giving you more power.

Bottom line is that no A/F testing was performed on the CAI testing by Jannetty so why keep harping on it.

I just got tuned and we found the same thing. My L99 made more power at 12.7 AFR than at 13.1 . It`s in my post. Not every car likes a real lean mixture.

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

I just got tuned and we found the same thing. My L99 made more power at 12.7 AFR than at 13.1 . It`s in my post. Not every car likes a real lean mixture.

The C6Z06 on the other hand is very responsive to air fuel ratios in Open Loop.

Here is the very first Z06 tuned in the World by Jim Hall. This was back in Jan. of 2006. Stock intake was onboard for the before and after dynos:



13.4 Air Fuel ratio was not intended, but we saw a mere 2 degrees of knock retard, which is common on a bone stock C6.

Here is another C6Z06 that we tuned by Jim's World Famous emailTUNE®
This customer was on the dyno 2000 miles away and asked for a richer, then leaner tune. When we were finished, you can see the effect air fuel ratio had on horsepower. No other changes were made during these pulls except changes in the commanded PE/RPM (Power Enrichment) Code. In the end, a full 20 RWHP was gained just tweaking this one parameter.



The bottom line is some LS Gen IV motors love leaner mixtures, especially if you can avoid knock retard with proper timing.

The Camaro LS3 is near identical to the Corvette LS3 in its timing, GM countermeasures, knock retard sensitivity, and air flow tables. We spent 1 full day on the dyno in IL trying to pull more hp out of an LS3 C6, and finally found a whopping 5 RWHP! We eventually found the key to tuning these motors, but most of you know, tuning is now a GM no no if you plan on keeping your warranty.

[ADM PERFORMANCE]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

I just got tuned and we found the same thing. My L99 made more power at 12.7 AFR than at 13.1 . It`s in my post. Not every car likes a real lean mixture.

We have made even more at 12.4-12.5.

They do like fuel as well as spark

Andy

[CamaroSA]

We need a like this but for catbacks

great job you guys

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by CamaroSA

We need a like this but for catbacks

great job you guys

These Cars DO NOT Respond to Cat back exhaust changes, we test every one we install on a new model like this so we know for sure.

Ted.

[Buelligun]

These Cars DO NOT Respond to Cat back exhaust changes, we test every one we install on a new model like this so we know for sure.

Ted.

No, but our ears do!!
I have a Cat back system, and can't say that I actually noticed any difference apart from sound, but I also hadn't nailed it with the standard system as I was still running it in!!!


Ted, if you do get to test any more CAI kits, how about fitting a high flow replacement filter into the standard airbox, after the results from your last test, I think it might fair quite well!!!

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Buelligun

No, but our ears do!!
I have a Cat back system, and can't say that I actually noticed any difference apart from sound, but I also hadn't nailed it with the standard system as I was still running it in!!!


Ted, if you do get to test any more CAI kits, how about fitting a high flow replacement filter into the standard airbox, after the results from your last test, I think it might fair quite well!!!

We did that NO Change in HP or Torque.

[Kodiak Ak]

Ted,
I sent you a PM.
Thanks

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

We have made even more at 12.4-12.5.

They do like fuel as well as spark

Andy

Yep, thats true in my case for sure, I beleive after the first adjustment, that pull made it 13.1 afr, he added fuel and timing and made more horsepower and especially torque w/ the richer mixture at 12.7.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Bump for the new guys.

[Capstone]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Bump for the new guys.

Ted,

Can you please rank these CAI's? I'm looking at the spreadsheet and it looks like the Cold Air Inductions CAI is the best overall, but I was scolded the other day saying the Fastlane at the bottom of the spreadsheet was the best...

I guess the issue of tuning and ease of install IMO should be accounted for... versus raw HP gains... wouldn't most agree?

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by Capstone

Ted,

Can you please rank these CAI's? I'm looking at the spreadsheet and it looks like the Cold Air Inductions CAI is the best overall, but I was scolded the other day saying the Fastlane at the bottom of the spreadsheet was the best...

I guess the issue of tuning and ease of install IMO should be accounted for... versus raw HP gains... wouldn't most agree?

Personally, I'm not putting something that doesn't fit well in my car. And I'm not moving anything around, either. But that's just me; there are some to whom the couple extra hp is worth it. That's my guess as to why Ted DIDN'T rank them; some people decide based on pure hp/torque numbers and some people want the best-looking CAI.

[CGM2SSRS]

The reason Ted didn't rate them in this thread is, this test was straight across the board an unbiased test. Results were real world numbers and we are left to make our choice based on them. I'm sure if you contact him personally he would give you his personal opinion.

[Edrock]

...in short...let the test results speak for themselves...let the chips fall where they may....any other applicable cliches' you can think of <insert here>.

[BLK2SS]

Originally Posted by Capstone

Ted,

Can you please rank these CAI's? I'm looking at the spreadsheet and it looks like the Cold Air Inductions CAI is the best overall, but I was scolded the other day saying the Fastlane at the bottom of the spreadsheet was the best...

I guess the issue of tuning and ease of install IMO should be accounted for... versus raw HP gains... wouldn't most agree?

If you like the in the garage homemade look go with the fastlane. If you want a professional production look....

[Gunmetal]

Originally Posted by franknbeans

I attached a picture for you dudes at work.

Just refeshing the chart all,guess that didnt work. Can someone bump the Chart plz?

[JANNETTYRACING]

Here you go

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=1&output=html

[Trailbreaker77]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

These Cars DO NOT Respond to Cat back exhaust changes, we test every one we install on a new model like this so we know for sure.

Ted.

Ted,

If I were to get the Roto-fab intake kit and put Magnaflow axel-back exhaust on my Camaro for the sound. Would my car perform better then my brothers cat-back Magnaflow exhaust?

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Trailbreaker77

Ted,

If I were to get the Roto-fab intake kit and put Magnaflow axel-back exhaust on my Camaro for the sound. Would my car perform better then my brothers cat-back Magnaflow exhaust?

If they are Dead even now then Yes the intake will give you the advantage.

[whiplash]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

If they are Dead even now then Yes the intake will give you the advantage.

I didn't see aFe CAI on your test and wondered why!? aFe Power has a very good reputation of having good intakes... I have experienced definite gains in my past vehicles.

Here is the aFe link for the Camaro. aFe claim gains of +10 HP and +12 TQ.


http://afepower.com/shop/details_new...10&&brandID=53

[whiplash]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Personally, I'm not putting something that doesn't fit well in my car. And I'm not moving anything around, either. But that's just me; there are some to whom the couple extra hp is worth it. That's my guess as to why Ted DIDN'T rank them; some people decide based on pure hp/torque numbers and some people want the best-looking CAI.

I totally agree... I wouldn't either!! I called aFe Power and Airaid and they both have Dyno tested their CAI and said they can send me a copy of the actual dyno test sheet on a stock 6.2L
aFe +10 HP and +12 TQ
Airaid +16 HP and +13 TQ

In addition they both said there is absolutley NO modifcations to be done on the vehicle durning install.

[Buelligun]

aFe claim gains of +10 HP and +12 TQ.

Of course they do!!

It probably wasn't available when the test was carried out.

[Gunmetal]

Would love to see a similar test with exhaust systems