I just had to.................................

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

In this statement you just made you are forgetting one very very important part of road racing.... EXIT speed. We could go back and forth with this all night. We have different views on what makes a car fast and I will leave it at that

And if your interested in my "Exaggerated 1 wheel burn issue" pick up some reviews of the GT500 on a road course

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/shelbygt...testdrive.html

They seem to think it very effective around corners. In order for exit speed to be a race deciding factor in this case, a vehicle would have to have an EXTREME advantage over the other. This wouldn't be the case, however, in this Z/28 vs. GT500.

But I guess to each his own and I'll let it die too lol.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I think it should; I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. That's the only model left that there is no opponent for, from GM. If GM's going after GT500 - they better be packing some stones



SS already competes with the GT. There's almost no competition if that GT has their Track Pack. Sure, it's slower in a straight line, but it's not only about straight line performance. I bet, around a track, it's going to be darned close, at least until GM can tune the suspesion better. I'm sure they're a little embarrassed that their IRS Camaro is getting it's you-know-what handed to it by a SRS Mustang At least the aftermarket is there for us



??? How is the Shelby competition for the 'Vette? In what reviews has it been even close? Sure - in a straight line, but even then, comparing a 540 horse', 4000 lb. philly to a 3300 lb. 436 horse' 'Vette with Z51 suspension (let alone the GS package now...) is not even fair. Come on. What the heck kinda' rational is this. The last car Ford had that gave Corvette any competition was the GT - that car was bad@$$! Any comparison with the 'Vette to a Philly is just plain silly, IMO; not even...



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Ford and Carrol never concerned themselves with the Camaro it was always the Vette they were after.

YES, I Know the Vette blows it away! But they still compare it because that is all they got.

[radz282003]

I think a current Motor Trend or some rag' like that mentioned that problem (wheelspin on the inside) comparing the GT500 to a GS Corvette. I can't remember exactly which one, but I recall reading this too. That GT500 seems underrated too. I remember seeing 500+ RWHP...

[radz282003]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Ford and Carrol never concerned themselves with the Camaro it was always the Vette they were after.

YES, I Know the Vette blows it away! But they still compare it because that is all they got.

Well, that's them. We're having the discussion, not them. If you agree, then support it. I'm not trying to sound like a jerky, I'm just saying they aren't the end-all be all. Not only do some of these rags' have their favorites, oftentimes, it seems they don't know how to be unbiased. Ford has nothing, at the moment, that compares with Corvette, IMHO.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Well, that's them. We're having the discussion, not them. If you agree, then support it. I'm not trying to sound like a jerky, I'm just saying they aren't the end-all be all. Not only do some of these rags' have their favorites, oftentimes, it seems they don't know how to be unbiased. Ford has nothing, at the moment, that compares with Corvette, IMHO.

I concurred.

However, the Shelby has always been a segment up from the Camaro in price - ALWAYS.

[radz282003]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I concurred.

However, the Shelby has always been a segment up from the Camaro in price - ALWAYS.

Okay - I see your point. But do we compare a LT/LTZ Tahoe because it's similar in price too? I know it's a stupid correlation, but that's kinda' my point. Just because the price is the same doesn't make it competition. Competition comes from similar products targeted at the same audience. I don't have to point out the differences between the two cars that obvisously make them different, however, maybe the true target audience that would consider a Shelby would also consider the 'Vette. If that's the case, then I'm way off. I couldn't see how that can be, but that doesn't mean that's not how it is. I just would've never figured that to be the case. If I'm wrong, I'm not debating the same thing

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Okay - I see your point. But do we compare a LT/LTZ Tahoe because it's similar in price too? I know it's a stupid correlation, but that's kinda' my point. Just because the price is the same doesn't make it competition. Competition comes from similar products targeted at the same audience. I don't have to point out the differences between the two cars that obvisously make them different, however, maybe the true target audience that would consider a Shelby would also consider the 'Vette. If that's the case, then I'm way off. I couldn't see how that can be, but that doesn't mean that's not how it is. I just would've never figured that to be the case. If I'm wrong, I'm not debating the same thing

?

It is not what people think necessarily it's what Ford thinks.

They have always targeted the Vette with their Shelby.

The fact that our Camaro can compete above it's price speaks volumns for the value GM is offering in their product(s).

[MikesZ]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Well I hope my good handling car has a DI V8 in it.......Hey.... I can wish...

+1 and yes, some of use would accept a smaller bump in power combined with better handling if it keeps the price down. You can always SC the motor.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Okay - I see your point. But do we compare a LT/LTZ Tahoe because it's similar in price too? I know it's a stupid correlation, but that's kinda' my point. Just because the price is the same doesn't make it competition. Competition comes from similar products targeted at the same audience. I don't have to point out the differences between the two cars that obvisously make them different, however, maybe the true target audience that would consider a Shelby would also consider the 'Vette. If that's the case, then I'm way off. I couldn't see how that can be, but that doesn't mean that's not how it is. I just would've never figured that to be the case. If I'm wrong, I'm not debating the same thing

Well I disagree. I think if a person has $50,000 to throw around, they are going to try to find the best buy for that budget. Unless the backseat is an absolute must...