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Old 11-07-2009, 08:01 PM   #15
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I can't wait for MY dose of permagrin, my 2010 Summit White 2LT will be "born" on November 23rd (confirmed with GM again earlier this week) and I expect it about a week after that to be in my driveway. I do live in Quebec, only a few hours from the factory.

My last Camaro always also gave me permagrin and since I sold it this summer at a car show, I have not been grinning driving around my wife's Honda Fit. Don't get me wrong, it's fun and all, but it ain't no Camaro!

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Old 11-08-2009, 10:51 PM   #16
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I put about 50,000 miles on a 99 B4C police camaro LS1 in highway traffic enforcement a few years ago. The 99 B4C was an amazing car but the 1LT I bought is also an amazing car. The B4C would run 0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds, around 12.5 to 100 MPH and the 1/4 mile in the low 13's consistently. On the track the B4C would run 145 MPH and the 1LT V-6 is 135 MPH at the same distance. The B4C definitely had more power but I have been totally satisfied with my 1LT. My 1LT handles better than the B4C, is quieter and rides better. The 1LT is easier to get in and out of compared to the 99 B4C. The 2010 camaro feels more refined and gets good gas mileage even while running the tar out of it. My 1LT will run 0-60 in about 6 seconds without ruining my tires and will hit 100 MPH in 15.3. The V-6 times are very comparable to a hemi charger and still gets better fuel mileage. My 1LT seems to have more usable space and is roomier than the 4th generation. My 1LT does not drag as bad going in and out of steep driveways as the 4th generations. The V-8 will always sound better but everyone I've taken for a ride or let drive my 1LT have been very impressed. Everyone says the V-6 felt like they were driving a V-8. I could use my 1LT on patrol just as effectively as I did the B4C camaro. The SS 2010 and LS1 definitely will pin you in your seat but the V-6 is no slouch. For the money the V-6 Camaro is a great car. If you want bragging rights and can afford the V8 go for it but if your on a budget like me the V-6 is great!

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Old 11-09-2009, 09:49 AM   #17
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Agreed on all points. Well said.
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:49 PM   #18
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Did you test drive it using tapshift and under hard, top end acceleration?

Unfortunately due to the nature of the engine (V6, not V8), it will be a lot different low end than the LS1. Top end is similar though, other than the weight difference.
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Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet lol
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:55 PM   #19
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Awww you gonna make some guys cry talking like that. lol
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Old 11-10-2009, 06:34 PM   #20
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Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet lol
Yes, I've driven both. The V6 camaro once (several 0-80 max acceleration runs, and got it up to 112 at one point), and an LS1 camaro many, many times. My brother in law owns a 1979 camaro and a 1999 camaro, and I've previously owned a 1986 IROC.

I was NOT, and I repeat NOT, trying to say that the V6 camaro is anywhere as fast as an LS1 camaro. What I was saying (if you actually read the thread) is that it FEELS as quick in the top end - similar to how you can take a big truck out and romp on the throttle, feel the pull of the V8 but not actually go anwhere at any advanced rate of speed.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:05 PM   #21
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Hi, um I do not want to sound like a jerk but um... I strongly belive that you have very little or no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1. A 50-60 whp difference between the LLT and LS1 will be in the ball park. Never mind the fact that there is a 300 lbs differenece with a 4th Gen Z28 and the 5th Gen V-6.

I hate to kick this door down, but an error like this needed to be corrected.

Just to throw it out there that I own a 1998 Z28. I've drop mustang GT's (80's to current) and new(er) GT's will take out 5th Gen V-6's, just put this in a perspective manner.

Oh yeah I'm sort of in the same boat as the OP except I havn't ordered mine yet lol


Oh, it's close. I've been to 146mph in my 1LT, had I had it in manual mode, it would not have shifted into 6th and dropped 4mph. i believe it has a few more mph in it. The LS1 4th gens I've been in have gotten to 155-158mph before topping out. All have been A4. While I don't think the 5th gen would chase it down in my package, RS with 20's, I believe there is more then enough motor there to run it down. Put some 18s on it and let it fly, lol.

Also, I've been in several police package Impalas with the 3.9, as long as there is no roof light bar, all have seen 150-155mph. Takes awhile, lol, it seems, but it gets there.

Also, I'll throw my 1LT against any GT, save the rumored 2011, for topend. The early years you mentioned aren't all the great, the LX models actually being quicker/faster due to weight, and the modern ones aren't much better IMO. As soon as my mother-in-laws Lincoln gets new airbags, it's a MK VII w/ 4.6 dual cam, I'll let ya know how my little v6 fairs against it. I'm also going to throw it against my bro-in-laws 88 GT, with it's M5 and stroker. It's dyno'd over 300 rwhp, so it'll be interesting on the top. He'd kill me on the bottom if he ever got real tires, lol, it don't hook up for shit, lmao

Long story not so short, this LLT compares nicely to the LS1. Does it beat it? No, but it's atleast in the neighborhood!
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:15 PM   #22
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Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).
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Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).
Like I said, I never claimed they were as fast. Just that they felt nearly as fast.

I didn't mean to sound rude in my earlier post and appologize if I was. I just didn't like being talked to like I was some 15 year old dreamer/bench racer.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:37 PM   #24
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Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).

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0 - 60 (sec): 6.0
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.2 @ 98.9

Average for a stock 1998 Camaro Z-28 SS
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
1/4 Mile (sec @ Mph): 13.8 @ 104

.8 seconds faster on the 0-60 and .4 seconds faster on the 1/4 mile.

Yet you insult him for saying they have same type of feeling while driving?

And as for a Gen5 SS automatic, from personal experience I have done 13.2 in quarter on stock model.

And one question, by you stating yourself that you've never driven a 5th gen.. How is it exactly that you know how they drive? Just wondering....
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:54 AM   #25
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I didn't mean to stir up controversy fellas. I think we can all agree that a 4th gen LS1 is going to beat a 5th gen V6 period. I simply wanted to get some opinions on the "seat of your pants" feel from those that have driven a 4th gen LS1 & 5th gen V6. Lets keep in mind and respect the fact that the responses are going to be subjective, everyone's opinion is different!
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Well, I still find this hard to believe, as the best llt 5th Gen's 1/4 was 14.3xx and my 1998 Z28 is at the 13.3xx ran with 2.73 gears, A4 obviously.
But I have yet to play with a 5th Gen.

And yes GTs of any year are pretty sad, even Mach/Cobras are still quite lacking (save the mid 2000's Mach 1).

Again, I don't think the LLT will beat the LS1, but in topend, which is what we were talking about, it'll compete.

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There is not a snow ball's chance in he'll the 5th Gen's V-6 engine's top end with be even close to the LS1.

Your words. Topeend, and with the 6m, or A6, the LLT does compete.The LLT shouldn't win, it's smaller, less hp, less torque, yet it competes. It's a strong motor, period. The LS cars are badass, and I will take nothing away from them, but until you get to drive the LLT, I think you need to reserve judgement. I'm sure you'll need the SS to be happy, lol, already owning a LS1 powered 4th gen, but the LLT isn't a wuss. It's kinda cool how it can compete against the bigger dogs. It even beats a few, lol. I know my LLT is quicker and will outrun my CVPI I drive everyday on duty. By a bunch, lmao.
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I didn't mean to stir up controversy fellas. I think we can all agree that a 4th gen LS1 is going to beat a 5th gen V6 period. I simply wanted to get some opinions on the "seat of your pants" feel from those that have driven a 4th gen LS1 & 5th gen V6. Lets keep in mind and respect the fact that the responses are going to be subjective, everyone's opinion is different!

Agreed, but by "seat of the pants" feel, the LLT won't disappoint! I love sitting at a stop light and smashing the gas in my LLT and feelng the front end lift and the car suck me into the seats, which BTW, are the most comfortable seats I have ever had in a car. It's a permagrin moment for sure

Overall, the LS1 powered cars are some of my favorites, ever. The LS motor platform is a monster, and those who don't love it or respect it, well, they just don't know. That said, I'm really impressed with this LLT platform. I can only imagine what the SS and it's LS3 motor feels like, or even the L99, as I haven't had the privilage to drive one.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:20 AM   #28
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2002... I remember shopping the Camaro... even the SS... while the straight line performance was crazy, i wasn't sold on the rest of the car.. handling, size, interior, low to the ground.. etc... I ended up with a Mustang GT...

This time around I went with the Camaro! There is just so much more I like about the 5th Gen!!!
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