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Old 08-26-2008, 10:20 AM   #251
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Hey Scott, when are the pix of the Z28 comin out?
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:23 AM   #252
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atleast it looks a bit more aggressive.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:56 PM   #253
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You da man Scott I'm gonna print this out and take it with me to the dealer when we do my build. I'll lay it on the desk and every time we add an option I'll tap on the piece of paper and say to the salesperson....read it...read it!

It is really great to have you chime in on the price of the SS as there have been a lot of skeptics, myself included about a price under 40K.
No offense, but if you were "skeptical" at ALL about a price under $40K, you were pretty stupid to begin with. How dumb would you have to be to believe that a Pony car competitor would be sold at the price of a Corvette? Doesn't say much about your intelligence. The base price of the SS is going to under $30k, not even mentioning $40k, and if you're off by a factor of 33% you don't know a lot about cars.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:00 PM   #254
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The brakes look awesome on the SS. I wonder if there's any chance you'll be able to opt for performance brakes through GM's performance parts designed especially for the 5thgen?
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:40 PM   #255
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:46 PM   #256
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I want some SS pics in different factory colors with optional stripes. I am having the hardest time picking a color that i want.
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:52 PM   #257
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If you want a good look at Camaro pricing look at the prices for the Pontiac G8, G8 GT abd G8 GXP. Use the spread, not the base price of the vehicle.
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:07 PM   #258
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im pretty sure it was a couple of weeks ago.
but... you mean it was close enough (relatively) for me to peek as well? well friggity freakin aye >_<
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:23 PM   #259
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A couple of things... you are actually comparing an artist's rendition against an actual photo. Again, at the risk of repeating myself... check out this picture from the salesperson reference guide (I included it below so there is no confusion here). Now look at the picture of the two camaro's facing each other on the bottom there. One is the production LT/RS and the other is the concept. Look real close at the two. They are about as close to each other as you can get when making the transition from a anything goes concept to a street legal production vehicle that you can own. Where do you see all of these differences about the hood being longer, the curves of the sheet metal being so dramatically different? Don't compare two different photo's and think they are equal. The only real way to compare them is in a photo like this where they are actually side by side or in person. Any other way your perception will be distorted because the pictures are not taken at the same angle, with the same lens, with the same lighting, the same distance from the camera, all of which play a significant role on how the subject of the picture appears in the image.

Thanks for the "color" side by side. That does help out as I just have an earlier B/W. Now here is a couple questions for my build list. On waiting list for a SS and looking at possible SS/RS, but still need to understand all my options. I am going to take it the one on the left is the LT/RS and the right is the concept.
First, to get the hood vent that it part of the SS package?
Second, are the bottom halo/fog lights the same? Or, just a shadow issue.
Third, what would it take to get the slits by the rear tire? Just a good custom shop? Any chance of getting it put into the car from the factory?
Fourth, that nose on the concept still looks longer. Maybe its that fender turn signal messing it up.
Finally, I played a game with some co-workers to see what is different and the concept stood out to each even though hard for them to figure out why. A couple comments were that the one on the right (concept) looks like a sports car and the left (production) looked like a coupe. Narrowed that idea down to the height of the car. Amazing a difference one inch can make. Have to hate those safety regulations.
Thank you again for your insights into this new car.
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:40 PM   #260
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Thanks for the "color" side by side. That does help out as I just have an earlier B/W. Now here is a couple questions for my build list. On waiting list for a SS and looking at possible SS/RS, but still need to understand all my options. I am going to take it the one on the left is the LT/RS and the right is the concept.
First, to get the hood vent that it part of the SS package?
Second, are the bottom halo/fog lights the same? Or, just a shadow issue.
Third, what would it take to get the slits by the rear tire? Just a good custom shop? Any chance of getting it put into the car from the factory?
Fourth, that nose on the concept still looks longer. Maybe its that fender turn signal messing it up.
Finally, I played a game with some co-workers to see what is different and the concept stood out to each even though hard for them to figure out why. A couple comments were that the one on the right (concept) looks like a sports car and the left (production) looked like a coupe. Narrowed that idea down to the height of the car. Amazing a difference one inch can make. Have to hate those safety regulations.
Thank you again for your insights into this new car.
Yes the one on the left is the V6 and the one on the right is the concept.

The slit in the hood comes with the V8 SS package.

Not sure about the halo lights. I believe they are identical but someone else can chime in if they are 100% sure.

Slits by the rear tire won't come from the factory. Custom shop could do it.

Not sure about the hood. It does look a little longer.

As far as the concept looking like a sports car and the production car looking like a coupe, I guarantee that it's because of the stance/wheel size. If you get some coilovers and drop it down a bit, and throw some 21s or 22s like the concept, it will look identical to the concept. The V6 in that picture just sits a bit higher and has smaller wheels (more space in the wheel wells).
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:51 PM   #261
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To those who think the production SS looks too different from the concept, and I know it's already been said by Scott and many others, but regulations required several changes. Personally, I think the Camaro team did an AMAZING job considering what had to be done to make it street legal.

On top of that, I don't know who here has actually sat in, much less driven, the concept, but I'm sure in all of their testing and designing, the Camaro team made some changes simply for day-to-day driving reasons. I personally have never seen the concept in person, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a pain to drive as a daily driver (blind spots and what not). I'm sure Scott could comment, if he hasn't already. Regardless, everyone here has to be able to at least admit that this Camaro is quite possibly the closest any company has ever come to making the production car look like the concept...
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:00 PM   #262
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No offense, but if you were "skeptical" at ALL about a price under $40K, you were pretty stupid to begin with. How dumb would you have to be to believe that a Pony car competitor would be sold at the price of a Corvette? Doesn't say much about your intelligence. The base price of the SS is going to under $30k, not even mentioning $40k, and if you're off by a factor of 33% you don't know a lot about cars.
Wow, maybe I should buy my car where you live? You can't even get a couple year old used Corvette for $40K here. Want a new Corvette try $65K - $85K. As for a Pony Car in a GT $30K - $38 for a 2009 depending on options. If this can come in to beat the Pony in price all will look good. Even better if it can beat the Dodge Challenger prices.

Oh, and we have a "9%" sales tax!!
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:00 PM   #263
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OK first post, I just wanted to comment on a couple things...

First, has anybody considered the FUNCTIONALITY of the SS front bumper (like, maybe, aero balance for track days, or when you're burnin' around the 'Ring)? I doubt that front lip splitter is there just to differentiate between the V6 and SS.

Second, I agree with the opinion that GM did a VERY good job with keeping the production car so close to the concept, and I believe this opinion will be more widespread once people see it in person.

And speaking of seeing it in person, I may just have to roll out of bed and drive the 20min to the Speedway when they debut next month Ha ha just wanted to rub it in...
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:30 PM   #264
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:41 PM   #265
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If you want a good look at Camaro pricing look at the prices for the Pontiac G8, G8 GT abd G8 GXP. Use the spread, not the base price of the vehicle.
Which is by no means a bad thing. The G8 was always the car I consider should be the one to look at as far as pricing reference. It's the same chassis and it has an independent rear suspension as well. The Camaro is only a shy bit more powerful than the G8 GT, so it shouldn't be THAT bad. Especially not this 40K crap everyone is spewing. Jeez, just get a lightly used Vette'.
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:52 PM   #266
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Awsome! The SS is closer to the concept model than the RS
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:09 PM   #267
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Which is by no means a bad thing. The G8 was always the car I consider should be the one to look at as far as pricing reference. It's the same chassis and it has an independent rear suspension as well. The Camaro is only a shy bit more powerful than the G8 GT, so it shouldn't be THAT bad. Especially not this 40K crap everyone is spewing. Jeez, just get a lightly used Vette'.
Considerably more powerfuk than the G8 GT, shy more than the GXP. Pontiac has always been priced higher than Chevrolet though, so I wouldnt worry about cost.
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:11 PM   #268
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Wow, maybe I should buy my car where you live? You can't even get a couple year old used Corvette for $40K here. Want a new Corvette try $65K - $85K. As for a Pony Car in a GT $30K - $38 for a 2009 depending on options. If this can come in to beat the Pony in price all will look good. Even better if it can beat the Dodge Challenger prices.

Oh, and we have a "9%" sales tax!!
everyone in you area must be rich or really stupid......
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:13 PM   #269
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Thanks for the "color" side by side. That does help out as I just have an earlier B/W. Now here is a couple questions for my build list. On waiting list for a SS and looking at possible SS/RS, but still need to understand all my options. I am going to take it the one on the left is the LT/RS and the right is the concept.
First, to get the hood vent that it part of the SS package?
Second, are the bottom halo/fog lights the same? Or, just a shadow issue.
Third, what would it take to get the slits by the rear tire? Just a good custom shop? Any chance of getting it put into the car from the factory?
Fourth, that nose on the concept still looks longer. Maybe its that fender turn signal messing it up.
Finally, I played a game with some co-workers to see what is different and the concept stood out to each even though hard for them to figure out why. A couple comments were that the one on the right (concept) looks like a sports car and the left (production) looked like a coupe. Narrowed that idea down to the height of the car. Amazing a difference one inch can make. Have to hate those safety regulations.
Thank you again for your insights into this new car.
No problem... You are correct... the one on the left is a LT/RS and the one on the right is the concept. The hood vent is only available on the SS and the SS/RS. The fog lights are not projector style beams like the concept and they are set in a black plastic ring as opposed to a silver plastic ring like the concept. (That is something that you could always take out and paint yourself if you really prefer the silver paint over the black paint). As for the nose looking longer, if memory serves me correctly I believe the concept and the production are nearly identical in length and width. I think what you are seeing is the wider front side markers they had to use to be street legal as opposed to those slick narrow markers on the concept. As for the air vents, you are sol on getting those from the factory. If you need them opened up you are going to have to talk to your local body shop. On the plus side since they are not open they will not bend the first time some schmuck leans on your car when you are not paying attention since it would be a pretty good trick to make them sturdy given how little metal there is to work with there.

As for your co-workers, I don't know what to tell you there. I do however know that everyone so far that has seen the production next to the concept has commented just how remarkably similar the two look next to each other.
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everyone in you area must be rich or really stupid......
So you've been to Seattle too!?!

Seriously though, I spent two weeks up there for a job in March last year, and in that two weeks it rained 13 days and I saw 1 suicide and 1 attempted suicide. But then on the other hand it is the only place I have found 20 something blonde women holding up homeless signs on the side of the road. Interesting place to say the least...
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:29 AM   #273
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I havent waded through the dozen pages yet. Forgive me.
But, I have one comment: Thanks, Scott!

(and to the OP).

I appreciate your pictures! (both of you)!

EDIT: PS - the "Christian Slater" TV Silver SS pics WERE of a production SS. Thought so!!! Me Likey!!! (Although mine will NOT be in silver). And, yes -- the more agressive door-sill ground effects that have an obvious delta towards the rear-wheel appear to be SS-Only refinements.

Right????

Either way - I am buying an SS. I like the fact that the lower, larger bumper vent more-closely reflects it's Corvette (Z06) Brethren.

I may be the ONLY one getting this, WITHOUT the HID headlamps. Its GREAT for me. (one man's opinion). <thumbs-up>
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If you want a good look at Camaro pricing look at the prices for the Pontiac G8, G8 GT abd G8 GXP. Use the spread, not the base price of the vehicle.
Good point, although as someone else mentioned, Pontiac typically is higher priced. And forget HP... even Scott has said time and again that the Camaro will be priced comparably to the Mustang, which has a LOT less HP than a similarly-trimmed Camaro, certainly less than a similarly-trimmed G8 compared to a Camaro. Not to mention the G8 has four doors instead of two, which has to cost a bit more as well.
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NO Z28

why is everyone so worried about weight could someone explain to me why this is such a big deal?
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