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Old 05-28-2007, 10:19 PM   #1
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hey everyone new to this forum

im getting my license next year, i am 95% sure im going to get one of the muscle cars. At first i was thinking the mustang or challenger that will be out next year. Now i am thinking about waiting to get a car untill 2009, do you think the camaro will be more or the same in performance compared to a challenger?
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:35 PM   #2
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I don't want to tell you what to expect, because I don't fully know, yet. But here are some numbers to throw around.

While the Camaro is a muscle car true and through... I think of the Challenger as more of a "boulevard bruiser" than a muscle car.

Expect a Camaro around 3700 lbs, and top-line around 430 hp.
(courtesy this site)
Expect a Challenger around 4100 lbs. and top line around 425 hp (courtesy insideline.com)

You decide
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:20 PM   #3
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Plus a Challenger is a Dodge afterall...

We've had some bad experiences with Dodges lol
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:22 PM   #4
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Welcome to the site, forumryder. I have to agree w/ all that Dragon said, but would like to add one thing. Top of the line Camaro might be a wee bit more than 430...seeing as though we've heard a rumor of the S/C LS3 version. And...we've been given a wink by a GM powertrain person. I said, "wink"...and not anything more.

Camaro should have it beat in straight line acceleration as well as in the twisties if weight and suspension stays the same.
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:00 AM   #5
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Yeah i think my mind is set on the camaro now only deciding factors i have left is the msrp and mpg
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:57 AM   #6
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Well, go on over to the Flexfuel thread. I was going to get to that here, though. I had forgotten to mention a few things:
1. They are not mass-mass producing the Challenger, only about 40,000 I think I heard - which will drive the cost right up.

2. Hemi's are powerful, but terrible on fuel mileage - even with cyllinder deactivation

3. GM has a reputation for under-rating thier vehicle's Hp numbers. Dodge...well, I 'm not sure.
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:17 PM   #7
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yeah, all in all i am liking the camaro better. My only disappointment is the 2009 release date over the 2008.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:24 PM   #8
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yeah, all in all i am liking the camaro better. My only disappointment is the 2009 release date over the 2008.
Good things come to those who wait. Save a little more money and buy the car you want.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:20 PM   #9
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Good things come to those who wait. Save a little more money and buy the car you want.
Agreed. You're young (well, younger than me by a bit...I'm sure I'm young to many here), you can get a Honda for a year to save up some money, then be able to get the Camaro.

I can't imagine being 16 years old and having the money to afford a brand new muscle car, not to mention the fact that your insurance will likely be as much (or more) as your car payment!
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:55 PM   #10
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yeah i might get a civic or a 89 mustang for the year and then get the camaro. As for the finance as long as i work my ass of in school im only going to have to worry about the aftermarket parts which will be exhaust tints audio and maybe better tires at the most.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:13 AM   #11
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Well, go on over to the Flexfuel thread. I was going to get to that here, though. I had forgotten to mention a few things:
1. They are not mass-mass producing the Challenger, only about 40,000 I think I heard - which will drive the cost right up.

2. Hemi's are powerful, but terrible on fuel mileage - even with cyllinder deactivation

3. GM has a reputation for under-rating thier vehicle's Hp numbers. Dodge...well, I 'm not sure.
He is so right. The body of most Dodge's are either too high on the top and not low enough under the body(Probably except the Viper, but the nose is too narrow). So just let the force be your guide.................. get a CAMARO!
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yeah i might get a civic or a 89 mustang for the year and then get the camaro. As for the finance as long as i work my ass of in school im only going to have to worry about the aftermarket parts which will be exhaust tints audio and maybe better tires at the most.
Hi everyone. I have been kind of MIA for awhile. I started my new job about a month ago and have been so incredibly swamped since then that I haven't had time to get on and keep up with the discussions. However, it doesn't look like I missed much!

Back on topic...

Wow, you are only 16 and plan on buying a $30k or more car? Unless you have some source of income that most 16 year olds do not (ie high paying job, trust fund, etc) then I would recommend not putting yourself into a bad financial situation at such a young age.

When I was in college I took out a few student loans to pay for some things that I shouldn't have, like a motorcycle, 4-wheeler, lift for my truck.... and I can not begin to tell you how much I regret it. It is not worth going into such great debt at such a young age. Not to mention the insurance you will have to pay.

Of course it is your money and your life, and I don't mean to be telling you what you should and/or should not do. I am just giving you advice I wish someone had given me several years ago.
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:35 PM   #13
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As long as I put my 100% into school and I do really well i dont have to pay for it with my own money. Im just going to be paying for the aftermarket parts, which im going to get money for by selling my quad. Im going to have gas, insurance, and the car paid for.
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:27 PM   #14
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Your parents are really, really brave. I will pray for them.

Not saying you're a bad kid, you could be the exception to the rule. All I have to compare is 1)The way I was at 16, and 2) My younger siblings and my kid.

No way in HELL would there be a 400rwhp car in their diet.
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Your parents are really, really brave. I will pray for them.

Not saying you're a bad kid, you could be the exception to the rule. All I have to compare is 1)The way I was at 16, and 2) My younger siblings and my kid.

No way in HELL would there be a 400rwhp car in their diet.
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I remember giving my 4-banger Grand Am hell and it didn't even have 200Hp... I would have to say that had I drove a 400HP car back then I would most likely not be here today... or I would be in a wheelchair.
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:43 PM   #16
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Well see what insurance will cost you on those cars. A few tips from someone now. I have descent connections. I totaled a G6. and had no car. I had a friend find a 1994 buick century.. i gave $1500 for it. 115K miles not super slow.. but ugly.. was still in great running shape, and easy on gas. like 2 months later an elderly gentleman had died and i purchased a 1995 mercury Grand Marquis with bad paint on the top for $2500 with 70 K miles Now i have a daily driver that is MAJOR comfy gets over 20 MPG with a 4.6 V8 put a 300$ stereo in it stock speakers were pretty good. ample trunk room. etc. and a backup car I do my own oil changes for the most part. and minor work. This is how i will afford to BUY a camaro.. not pay payments on one. Still have to be diligent and squirrel away your cash though. but baby it'll be SO damn worth it.

as for challenger.. please only dodge i even want is a Hemi Cuda like nash bridges had. jsut because it was one sexy beast!
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