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Old 09-10-2008, 12:29 PM   #18
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it works in the same way a map pined to the dash works as a Nav system.
Yes. I prefer paper maps anyway

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That's just settling imo. If you are going to offer something to an enthuisiast community like ours, make it right or get rid of it. Otherwise it's just a gimmick. Tap shifting when set-up correctly is one of the best things a car can have as far as control is concerned. Just ask any Formula 1 driver. Has anyone here driven an automatic Porsche with a Tiptronic?
That system is an automated manual. This is a automatic with a manual mode. Completely different. A automated manual is for pure performance. This is a way to give you more control over an automatic -but its still an automatic at heart. Much like AWD vs 4wd. On the surface they are similar but for going all out there is no comparison between the two.
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:41 PM   #19
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That system is an automated manual. This is a automatic with a manual mode. Completely different. A automated manual is for pure performance. This is a way to give you more control over an automatic -but its still an automatic at heart. Much like AWD vs 4wd. On the surface they are similar but for going all out there is no comparison between the two.
its not all that impressive.


how is the lag time on a corvette? i cant imagine someone driving a performance car settling.
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That system is an automated manual. This is a automatic with a manual mode. Completely different. A automated manual is for pure performance. This is a way to give you more control over an automatic -but its still an automatic at heart. Much like AWD vs 4wd. On the surface they are similar but for going all out there is no comparison between the two.
Yes, it is similar in design as the M3 but my point is about it's execution. We are talking about an electrical signal which can easily trigger the computer to up or downshift the tranny at the blink of an eye. We need this thing to change when WE the enthusiast want the tranny to change gears, not when some engineer at GM thinks it should be changing.

It should work the same way as a manual in the sense that if someone upshifts too early, the motor bogs (thanks skipshift in my '01) or if someone downshifts too early, the rear tires lock up.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:08 PM   #21
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It sounds like you guys want the F1 style paddle shifters that have an automatically actuated clutch. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the car?

Besides if you can live with being 1-2 10ths slower to sixty you can get a real manual transmission. I know I sure can, besides those that are actually bothered by bing beat by an auto can always get performance upgrades.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:23 PM   #22
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It sounds like you guys want the F1 style paddle shifters that have an automatically actuated clutch. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the car?

Besides if you can live with being 1-2 10ths slower to sixty you can get a real manual transmission. I know I sure can, besides those that are actually bothered by bing beat by an auto can always get performance upgrades.
Nobody is asking for a manual transmission (which a Porsche, M3 and F1 has). Just get the computer to upshift or downshift the auto tranny at the point we want. Pretty simple really.

You might beat me with the stick in a drag race but i'd serve you up on a plate in auto-X with a good paddle shift set-up.
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Nobody is asking for a manual transmission (which a Porsche, M3 and F1 has). Just get the computer to upshift or downshift the auto tranny at the point we want. Pretty simple really.

You might beat me with the stick in a drag race but i'd serve you up on a plate in auto-X with a good paddle shift set-up.
A paddle with a torque converter is never going to be as crisp as you seem to want, besides it would be fun try at auto cross, and by the way not a big fan of drag racing. There might be an aftermarket for the manual trannies to give them better shifts possibly a reprogram for the computer aswell who knows.
Ps. I'd race you anytime, it would be fun to see how this turns out in the real world. By the way you'd probably kick my ass in either car doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun.
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The auto/paddles are made to the feeling of a manual in an automatic car.

IMHO it fails to deliver on that, because its not .1 or .2 seconds, its well over a full second.

This may mean i will have to get a manual, but isnt that kind of sad to think about? if you dont want to SETTLE, you have to get a completely different tranny?
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A paddle with a torque converter is never going to be as crisp as you seem to want, besides it would be fun try at auto cross, and by the way not a big fan of drag racing. There might be an aftermarket for the manual trannies to give them better shifts possibly a reprogram for the computer aswell who knows.
Ps. I'd race you anytime, it would be fun to see how this turns out in the real world. By the way you'd probably kick my ass in either car doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun.
Race you around the track at Indy on the 21st.....
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How do we know if we have to settle? I know I havent driven a production 2010 Camaro yet.........
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How do we know if we have to settle? I know I havent driven a production 2010 Camaro yet.........
I dont know, just speculating

its a minor aspect of the car which i hoped would have turned out better

i guess this means a manual for me! ohhh nooo!!! more fun...
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It might even be faster if the transmission is left in full auto and you just kick the pedal down to shift. Thats what I would prefer if I was getting an auto unless I needed to keep it in a certain gear.

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Old 09-10-2008, 03:16 PM   #29
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It sounds like you guys want the F1 style paddle shifters that have an automatically actuated clutch. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the car?

Besides if you can live with being 1-2 10ths slower to sixty you can get a real manual transmission. I know I sure can, besides those that are actually bothered by bing beat by an auto can always get performance upgrades.
IMVHO, if you don't like it, get a manual or don't use it. This is a different car too, so things have a chance at improving by the time it's on Camaro, so don't worry yet

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I dont know, just speculating

its a minor aspect of the car which i hoped would have turned out better

i guess this means a manual for me! ohhh nooo!!! more fun...
Let's just try to keep our minds open until a test drive
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Race you around the track at Indy on the 21st.....
Now I've got more reason to regret missing Indy thanks.
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Old 09-10-2008, 03:34 PM   #31
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The auto/paddles are made to the feeling of a manual in an automatic car.

IMHO it fails to deliver on that, because its not .1 or .2 seconds, its well over a full second.

This may mean i will have to get a manual, but isnt that kind of sad to think about? if you dont want to SETTLE, you have to get a completely different tranny?
the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
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the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
you can hope... but we're getting the system in the G8, not the Corvette.
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the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
Yeah my dad and I tested one, and it shifted quite nicely. I hope for at LEAST this in the Camaro, although I small part of me expects GM to put a sub-par tap-shift system in (PLEASE prove me wrong GM!). If they "optimized the shift points" or whatever like they said, that makes me feel better about it. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed!
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The G8 and the Corvette both have an automatic transmission with a manual shift mode. As such, you can program some lag out of it, but in the end the mechanical limitations mean there will still be some lag. That is just how automatics work. There is also a limit to the crispness. Yes that can be tweaked too but only to a certain extent. You can't program an automatic with manual mode to act like an F1 system/DCT/Tiptronic/SMG/R-tronic/whatever other automated manual systems you can think of. The differences go far beyond computer programming. They are altogether different mechanical concepts.
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