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Old 09-16-2008, 11:26 PM   #1
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Well we know the new camaro is going to tear apart any mustang

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1763828

Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
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a little off.

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Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
Bro the LS3 for the 2010 Camaro SS is putting out 422 rwhp, not 370 rwhp. Estmated to do 0-60 in 4.6sec.
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Bro the LS3 for the 2010 Camaro SS is putting out 422 rwhp, not 370 rwhp. Estmated to do 0-60 in 4.6sec.
Isnt 422 the flywheel number?
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Bro the LS3 for the 2010 Camaro SS is putting out 422 rwhp, not 370 rwhp. Estmated to do 0-60 in 4.6sec.

actually, from what i know your both wrong.
the 422 is Bhp( base hors power) not rwhp wich goes strait to the tires.
the engine has its power rating(bhp), then theres the power that actually gets to the wheels(whp).

correct me if im wrong. but please prove with info, dont just state as fact.
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Old 09-16-2008, 11:40 PM   #5
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how is this for proof.

New render and details on the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SSPosted on 4-09-2008 by AndreyLeave your comment Category: Chevrolet, General Motors


Recently General Motors have put on their site the first official render and performance data of their top-spec SS (standing for Super Sport) version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. And this version really deserves the Super Sport badge, being powered by a 6.2 litre V8 which comes with a choice of either manual or automatic transmission, both with 6 speeds.

Here start the differences, if you opt for the manual transmission, you’ll be getting the 6.2 litre V8 LS3 engine which can deliver up to 422 hp with 553 Nm of torque (or 408 lb.-ft.). Instead, if you choose an automatic gearbox, you’ll be gettin the 6.2 litre V8 L99 engine, which has, besides the standard LS3, GM’s Active Fuel Management system, which enables the engine to run only 4 cylinders on normal driving conditions, like in the city. This engine is capable of 400 hp and 535 Nm (395 lb.-ft.) of torque. Coupled with the automatic transmission, the SS will achieve an average of 23 mpg or 10.2 l/100km.
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New render and details on the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SSPosted on 4-09-2008 by AndreyLeave your comment Category: Chevrolet, General Motors


Recently General Motors have put on their site the first official render and performance data of their top-spec SS (standing for Super Sport) version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. And this version really deserves the Super Sport badge, being powered by a 6.2 litre V8 which comes with a choice of either manual or automatic transmission, both with 6 speeds.

Here start the differences, if you opt for the manual transmission, you’ll be getting the 6.2 litre V8 LS3 engine which can deliver up to 422 hp with 553 Nm of torque (or 408 lb.-ft.). Instead, if you choose an automatic gearbox, you’ll be gettin the 6.2 litre V8 L99 engine, which has, besides the standard LS3, GM’s Active Fuel Management system, which enables the engine to run only 4 cylinders on normal driving conditions, like in the city. This engine is capable of 400 hp and 535 Nm (395 lb.-ft.) of torque. Coupled with the automatic transmission, the SS will achieve an average of 23 mpg or 10.2 l/100km.

Yes... those are the bhp numbers

not what goes to the wheels.
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Point is, the new SS should be able to hit 500bhp NA
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yes we have a winner, Bob tell him what he has won. lol,lol,lol. sorry bro had to.
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Point is, the new SS should be able to hit 500bhp NA
Correct. this has already been discused.

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actually, from what i know your both wrong.
the 422 is Bhp( base hors power) not rwhp wich goes strait to the tires.
the engine has its power rating(bhp), then theres the power that actually gets to the wheels(whp).

correct me if im wrong. but please prove with info, dont just state as fact.
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bhp is brake hp

that said i think it will be very good rwhp wise considering those numbers
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Well we know the new camaro is going to tear apart any mustang
As long as it doesn't have "500" somewhere in the name.

Sorry, as a Mustang owner I feel obligated to point out the fact that Ford still has the factory top dog amongst the big three. I really wish Chevy would just flat out tell us if there's going to be a Z/28 or whatnot, I'm getting impatient with all this "could be/might be" stuff.
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Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
Dude sorry but the LS3 Camaro has 422 HP. And the Vette LS3 has 430
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Dude sorry but the LS3 Camaro has 422 HP. And the Vette LS3 has 430
thats bph, not whp.


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As long as it doesn't have "500" somewhere in the name.

Sorry, as a Mustang owner I feel obligated to point out the fact that Ford still has the factory top dog amongst the big three. I really wish Chevy would just flat out tell us if there's going to be a Z/28 or whatnot, I'm getting impatient with all this "could be/might be" stuff.
Ill give ford credit.

they own the big dog from the factory.

That being said. modded car threads are worthless so Ford still gets big dog kudos.

But if you think the SS wont spank the GT500 after 3k worth of mods, none of which include a supercharger, than your in lala land.

520 hp 3800lbs vs. 500hp 3950lbs

That being said. Modded car threads are worthless. Ford still has the big dog here, so kudos to them.
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Dude sorry but the LS3 Camaro has 422 HP. And the Vette LS3 has 430
430 is with the optioinal exhuast. 422 is NOT the rwhp number, it is definatley bhp. Agreeing with someones post above, I do believe the SS will have between 370-390rwhp STOCK. LS3 FTW
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thats bph, not whp.




Ill give ford credit.

they own the big dog from the factory.

That being said. modded car threads are worthless so Ford still gets big dog kudos.

But if you think the SS wont spank the GT500 after 3k worth of mods, none of which include a supercharger, than your in lala land.

520 hp 3800lbs vs. 500hp 3950lbs
Either way it's still NaStY dude!
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bhp is brake hp

that said i think it will be very good rwhp wise considering those numbers

thanks for the correction in my termanology. its been a long day. lol.

and i dont think we'll get the whp numbers until were darn close to being able to buy the car, or somebody gets it and tests it. we'll just have to wait.
for an example, my cousins 74 Nova blown 327, 110 octane fuel, gets 400 whp.
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Old 09-17-2008, 01:05 AM   #17
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Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
if the vette is at 390 the SS should be around 380 i would expect
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Having IRS all around, the base SS Camaro around a twisty/curvy track should be able to keep up with the base GT500 mustang. In a straight line, that is another story.
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thats bph, not whp.
Ill give ford credit.

they own the big dog from the factory.

That being said. modded car threads are worthless so Ford still gets big dog kudos.

But if you think the SS wont spank the GT500 after 3k worth of mods, none of which include a supercharger, than your in lala land.

520 hp 3800lbs vs. 500hp 3950lbs

That being said. Modded car threads are worthless. Ford still has the big dog here, so kudos to them.
Until that 500 adds a pulley, CAI, exhaust and tune...

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Having IRS all around, the base SS Camaro around a twisty/curvy track should be able to keep up with the base GT500 mustang. In a straight line, that is another story.
I think that 500 is going to charge really hard down the straights. I'm not sure SS would be able to keep up but I'm hoping so
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430 is with the optioinal exhuast. 422 is NOT the rwhp number, it is definatley bhp. Agreeing with someones post above, I do believe the SS will have between 370-390rwhp STOCK. LS3 FTW
lol I thought with the optional exhaust the 2008 Corvette w LS3 puts out 436hp? (not to the wheels of course)
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we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.
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lol I thought with the optional exhaust the 2008 Corvette w LS3 puts out 436hp? (not to the wheels of course)
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
We are all crossing our fingers.
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Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
Bro first you quoted power numbers and were off. Now you are saying the Camaro SS will be 15-20K cheaper than the Shelby GT500, when pricing has not even been announced. We all hope it will cost that much less. But dude right now you are 0-2, and best to slow down while you are not quite so far ahead. Dude and for peat sake stop quoting info for fact unless you can back it up if challenged. Making assumptions or guesses is one thing and every one here does it. But when you start to say things that sound like info based off fact that does not exist, people that know better will challenge this simply because it can be debunked.
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Let's cut him some slack.

He didn't quote misinformation about dyno' numbers as he referenced the 'Vette. Also, 'Father has said pricing will be close to Mustang and maybe a touch higher, so he's not far off there either. Please, let's not forget SS makes 422 bhp, not at the tire, as you pointed out. He's new so give him some time to catch up.

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