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Old 09-17-2008, 05:10 AM   #18
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Having IRS all around, the base SS Camaro around a twisty/curvy track should be able to keep up with the base GT500 mustang. In a straight line, that is another story.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:49 AM   #19
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thats bph, not whp.
Ill give ford credit.

they own the big dog from the factory.

That being said. modded car threads are worthless so Ford still gets big dog kudos.

But if you think the SS wont spank the GT500 after 3k worth of mods, none of which include a supercharger, than your in lala land.

520 hp 3800lbs vs. 500hp 3950lbs

That being said. Modded car threads are worthless. Ford still has the big dog here, so kudos to them.
Until that 500 adds a pulley, CAI, exhaust and tune...

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Having IRS all around, the base SS Camaro around a twisty/curvy track should be able to keep up with the base GT500 mustang. In a straight line, that is another story.
I think that 500 is going to charge really hard down the straights. I'm not sure SS would be able to keep up but I'm hoping so
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:11 AM   #20
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430 is with the optioinal exhuast. 422 is NOT the rwhp number, it is definatley bhp. Agreeing with someones post above, I do believe the SS will have between 370-390rwhp STOCK. LS3 FTW
lol I thought with the optional exhaust the 2008 Corvette w LS3 puts out 436hp? (not to the wheels of course)
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:18 AM   #21
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we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.
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lol I thought with the optional exhaust the 2008 Corvette w LS3 puts out 436hp? (not to the wheels of course)
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:23 AM   #22
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
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Old 09-17-2008, 01:05 PM   #23
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
We are all crossing our fingers.
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Old 09-17-2008, 01:32 PM   #24
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1763828

Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
Bro first you quoted power numbers and were off. Now you are saying the Camaro SS will be 15-20K cheaper than the Shelby GT500, when pricing has not even been announced. We all hope it will cost that much less. But dude right now you are 0-2, and best to slow down while you are not quite so far ahead. Dude and for peat sake stop quoting info for fact unless you can back it up if challenged. Making assumptions or guesses is one thing and every one here does it. But when you start to say things that sound like info based off fact that does not exist, people that know better will challenge this simply because it can be debunked.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:22 PM   #25
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Let's cut him some slack.

He didn't quote misinformation about dyno' numbers as he referenced the 'Vette. Also, 'Father has said pricing will be close to Mustang and maybe a touch higher, so he's not far off there either. Please, let's not forget SS makes 422 bhp, not at the tire, as you pointed out. He's new so give him some time to catch up.

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Old 09-17-2008, 03:26 PM   #26
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will
That would be freakin' awesome, especially since I saw a GT500 this week marked down to $39,999.

Unlikely, but awesome. I'd price the SS starting at high 20's if I were a betting man.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:29 PM   #27
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I don't see high-$20Ks out of the question yet, but this car is going to carry a premium over Mustang, Lutz has already said that. How much? Noone knows for sure yet - 'Father's hinted at not a whole lot but things can change. I believe we're getting confirmation around the beginning of the year.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:37 PM   #28
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What scares me, is that a lot of the standard equipment (I think, and correct me if I'm wrong) that is coming on the SS, like the upgraded FE3 suspension, Brembo brakes, better wheels and tires, are similar features that are available on the SS, are not available on the Mustang, or Challenger mid level segment vehicles (GT & R/T). Those types of features come in their top level vehicles the GT500 priced @42k, and the SRT-8 priced @41k. And the SS power wise comes really close to the two.

So GM stating that the Camaro will be "competitively priced" could mean alot of things.

And seeing that the GTO, which I see a lot of things with the Camaro that parallel to it, wasn't even priced under 30k...

Just scares me I guess. But I'm just going to remain hopeful until official pricing gets released like everyone else here is.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:37 PM   #29
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[QUOTE=DGthe3;131811]we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.

Not trying to argue, but I don't really believe driveline losses can be any different from two vehicles with the same transmission and same basic setup...Where would the additional losses come from? I would believe the corvette has a slightly better exhaust setup (don't really know, just guessing) that might give it that extra 8 hp over the camaro, or perhaps a slightly different factory tune, which should show roughly the same 8 hp difference at the rear wheels.

Chassis dyno numbers can be very difficult to compare and driveline losses are calculated by assuming the flywheel hp given by the manufacturer is accurate. A ton of other variables come into play that make calculating drivetrain losses somewhat unreliable.

I am no expert on dyno testing but I just don't see where the difference would come from when comparing the corvette and camaro.
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And seeing that the GTO, which I see a lot of things with the Camaro that parallel to it, wasn't even priced under 30k...
The GTO was made in limited numbers, it was imported (just a rebadged Monaro), and Lutz has said it was overpriced in the past among other things regarding its not-so-hot sales...
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The GTO was made in limited numbers, it was imported (just a rebadged Monaro), and Lutz has said it was overpriced in the past among other things regarding its not-so-hot sales...

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Old 09-17-2008, 03:52 PM   #32
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we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.

Not trying to argue, but I don't really believe driveline losses can be any different from two vehicles with the same transmission and same basic setup...Where would the additional losses come from? I would believe the corvette has a slightly better exhaust setup (don't really know, just guessing) that might give it that extra 8 hp over the camaro, or perhaps a slightly different factory tune, which should show roughly the same 8 hp difference at the rear wheels.

Chassis dyno numbers can be very difficult to compare and driveline losses are calculated by assuming the flywheel hp given by the manufacturer is accurate. A ton of other variables come into play that make calculating drivetrain losses somewhat unreliable.

I am no expert on dyno testing but I just don't see where the difference would come from when comparing the corvette and camaro.
I believe some of the losses are due to differing suspensions too. I couldn't tell you which one is more efficient but I've read that. Also, I don't think it will be quite as high as a base LS3 in the 'Vette because, unless I'm mistaken, the tires on that car are about 26-inches tall, where as SS is going to be something like 28-inches. There loss with the weight of the wheels/tires too that'll drag down the numbers. Gear ratios, although I think the rear gears are similar, will effect numbers - generally higher ratios consume more power. Because Camaro is heavier, I think the driveline components will be heavier too, not to mention I'm sure lighter materials were used where possible on the 'Vette too since they were aiming for a light-weight car.

IMVHO - two different cars with the same engine will just dyno differently.
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The GTO was made in limited numbers, it was imported (just a rebadged Monaro), and Lutz has said it was overpriced in the past among other things regarding its not-so-hot sales...
Yes, very true. Hopefully they really learned from it and don't make the same mistake with the Camaro.
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I think that 500 is going to charge really hard down the straights. I'm not sure SS would be able to keep up but I'm hoping so
thats where the Z28 steps in!

at least i hope it does, eventually :x
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