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Old 12-26-2009, 06:55 AM   #18
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Oh just one more thought. I do not believe Carrol Shelby is hurting and is promoting a product for a little endorsement money. If he were, why not more endorsements. Can't think of any others. He says he believes in the product. I believed him, based on his rep. After using the product, I believe in it.
I thought he was part owner in the Company? I know the majority Stock holder is Speedway motorsports, but I thought Shelby still retained partial ownership...
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:06 AM   #19
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Well, I use Royal Purple. I also still use Z-Max. Let's see in oh ten years who has more out of pocket engine expenses. Bet I win. Many people have knee-jerk reactions. Mine are based on pure science and testing. Yes extensive testing. For a few dollars, more horsepower, lower friction, longer engine life, better gas mileage. I will continue spending a little more for a lot of benefits.
I would be willing to take that bet with you... I use Amsoil based on scientific tests, studies, and personal experiences. It has treated me well and is the only oil I wold recommend, no additives needed. It blows RP out of the water, Mobil 1 is the only oil close to comparing to it.
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How can it be that some additive manufacturer can have a miracle, cure-all additive without knowing the chemistry of the oil it will be used in? The answer is, they don't. They are masters at marketing, not science chemistry and engineering.

Anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers and testimonials reporting specific performance attributes in the absence of reliable independent evidence showing performance capability is insufficient to support product claims.

All of these products are just psychological placebos. Simply use a good quality oil, it will have all the additives your engine needs, mixed right in. Oil additives only serve to lessen the effectiveness of your oil's additives and lubrication properties.

The Bottom Line Don't use any oil additives whatsoever, NONE of them are effective and many are damaging. Simply use a good quality oil, its got all the additives you need
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:23 AM   #21
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Well, every super snake that Shelby builds has it in it.

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Old 12-26-2009, 10:28 AM   #22
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How can it be that some additive manufacturer can have a miracle, cure-all additive without knowing the chemistry of the oil it will be used in? The answer is, they don't. They are masters at marketing, not science chemistry and engineering.

Anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers and testimonials reporting specific performance attributes in the absence of reliable independent evidence showing performance capability is insufficient to support product claims.

All of these products are just psychological placebos. Simply use a good quality oil, it will have all the additives your engine needs, mixed right in. Oil additives only serve to lessen the effectiveness of your oil's additives and lubrication properties.

The Bottom Line Don't use any oil additives whatsoever, NONE of them are effective and many are damaging. Simply use a good quality oil, its got all the additives you need
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:33 AM   #23
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Anyone who uses oil additives is just plain wasting money.
Now this I can believe. You can use it, but you don't NEED it.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:44 PM   #24
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Wasnt slick 50 for high mileage cars? I dont remember anyone using it on a new car. Dont know anything about this product your talking about, but I used royal purple.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:48 PM   #25
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People in here saying that its snake oil but then using Mobil 1 "synthetic" is kind of funny to me.
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Old 12-26-2009, 03:49 PM   #26
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People in here saying that its snake oil but then using Mobil 1 "synthetic" is kind of funny to me.
How so? GM recommends syn for all LS series V8's. Probably has something to do with reducing carbon deposits in that engine amoing other things.
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:00 PM   #27
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How so? GM recommends syn for all LS series V8's. Probably has something to do with reducing carbon deposits in that engine amoing other things.
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Hydrocracked/Hydroisomerized = API Group III base oils. Chevron, Shell, and other petrochemical companies developed processes involving catalytic conversion of feed stocks under pressure in the presence of hydrogen into high quality mineral lubricating oil. In 2005 production of GTL (Gas-to-liquid) Group III base stocks began. Even though they are considered a synthetic product they are still mineral base stocks and counted as the mineral part of all semi-synthetic lubricants. Group III base stocks [with certain amount of mixture of PAOs and esters and Group V] are considered synthetic motor oil ONLY in the United States. Group III based lubricants are not allowed to be marketed as "synthetic" in any market outside of the USA.
Mobil 1 also fits into that group. They are only synthetics in the US and NO WHERE else in the world.

Mobil 1 is the factory fill because Mobil 1 pays GM the most.
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:05 PM   #28
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So for you Canada people, can you get Mobil 1 synthetic in your auto parts stores?
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:39 PM   #29
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Mobil 1 also fits into that group. They are only synthetics in the US and NO WHERE else in the world.

Mobil 1 is the factory fill because Mobil 1 pays GM the most.
Where did you find that Mobile 1 is not a true Synthetic oil? I can't find anything like that...

I did find on the Mobil Canada website that many places sells Mobil 1 Synthetic in Canada

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Mobil 1 with SuperSyn is available at a wide range of retail locations, including mass merchants, membership clubs, auto-parts stores, Esso service stations and Esso Associates. Many quick-lube shops and car dealerships also carry Mobil 1 with SuperSyn and will install it for you. Mobil 1 with SuperSyn is also available at Canadian Tire, Wal-Mart, Loblaws Superstore, Home Hardware, TruServ, Mr. Lube, Central Auto Parts, Uniselect and UAP/NAPA and other locations.


I did find this website that has alot of myths about Oils and Oil Changes...

http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Introduction
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Advantages of Synthetic
Synthetic oil was originally developed for high performance racing engines. Mobil tried to popularize synthetic oil for passenger vehicles back in the early 1970's. At the time, Mobil was promoting 20K or 25K oil changes with synthetic, but they soon backed down from this. Synthetic oil is a good choice if you have a vehicle with a high performance engine (in fact synthetic is required for many of these engines). It is also a good choice if your vehicle is operated in extremely cold climates. It has higher resistance to breakdown caused by heat and it flows better in extreme cold. Unfortunately for the synthetic oil industry there is virtually no advantage to using synthetic oil in a non-high performance engine that is operated in moderate climates. You probably could go a bit longer between oil changes with a synthetic, i.e. following the normal service schedule even if you fall into the severe service category, but I wouldn't advise this. In short, synthetic may give you the peace of mind of knowing that you are using an oil that is far better than necessary for your vehicle, but it won't reduce wear or extend the life of the engine. The mistake some people make it to wrongly extrapolate these benefits onto normal engines operated in mild climates, with the ultimate lack of any knowledge being manifested with statements such as "synthetics provide 'Peace of Mind,' or 'Cheap Insurance,'" or other such nonsense.

Extended Change Intervals
Most manufacturers of synthetic oil advise users to not exceed the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval. Part of this is self interest (they don't want to be liable for any damage) but the real reason is that synthetic oil, while it does have certain advantages, still becomes contaminated.

Be extremely wary of synthetic oil companies that offer to pay for your repairs if it is determined that their oil and their extended change interval recommendation caused the problem. Think for a moment of the incredible hassle you would have to go through to prove responsibility for an engine problem. Who would pay your legal bills? Who would pay for replacement transportation during the battle? The more bizarre the warranty the poorer the product is a good rule of thumb.

API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter, and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of some the non-certified oils do not explicitly and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification. You can check the status of API certification on the API web site. Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified and should not be used in vehicles with catalytic converters.

Amsoil
Amsoil actually makes some very good products. The negative image of Amsoil is due to their distribution method (MLM) and their marketing approach. If Amsoil products were competitively priced with Mobil 1 and other synthetics, and if I could buy them in a store, I would not hesitate to use their XL-7500 synthetic as opposed to Mobil 1. What upsets me about Amsoil is that they didn't disclose until recently (and then it was by accident) the real reason that their oils (except for XL-7500) are not API certified. In the past they came up with all sorts of bizarre excuses about the reason for their lack of API certification and this greatly contributed to the distrust that people have of the company.

Summary

1. Don't fall for the 3000 mile myth or the dark oil myth

2. Follow the manufacturer's recommended change interval for severe service or have an oil analysis performed to see if you can use the normal service interval

3. If you do the oil changes yourself then buy the oil and filters near the date of the oil change and keep a maintenance log with receipts

4. Use an API certified 5W30 or 10W30 oil (whatever your manual says is preferred) and watch out for oil change places that force 10W30 on you

5. Don't use oil additives

6. If you really want to know the optimum time to change your oil than have oil analyses performed

7. Use the manufacturer filter or a quality after-market filter (don't go by brand name recognition!)

8. Synthetic oil is a good choice if you have a high performance engine or if you live in an extremely cold climate, otherwise it provides no benefit (but no harm either).

9. Avoid engine flushes

10. Check your oil
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:47 PM   #30
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How can it be that some additive manufacturer can have a miracle, cure-all additive without knowing the chemistry of the oil it will be used in? The answer is, they don't. They are masters at marketing, not science chemistry and engineering.

Anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers and testimonials reporting specific performance attributes in the absence of reliable independent evidence showing performance capability is insufficient to support product claims.

All of these products are just psychological placebos. Simply use a good quality oil, it will have all the additives your engine needs, mixed right in. Oil additives only serve to lessen the effectiveness of your oil's additives and lubrication properties.

The Bottom Line Don't use any oil additives whatsoever, NONE of them are effective and many are damaging. Simply use a good quality oil, its got all the additives you need
If your oil is good, then your car will run just fine. If you have to add stuff to it, then pick another oil. Additives are bad. Keep it simple.
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If your oil is good, then your car will run just fine. If you have to add stuff to it, then pick another oil. Additives are bad. Keep it simple.
well that's one opinion, not scientifically based, each to their own. Just because you think it is so doesn't make it so
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