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Old 01-04-2010, 06:55 PM   #101
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A cheap fix, that is just substandard GM. I hope GM is reading all this, Brembo should be mad as hell. That is there name on the break as well. Very disappointing so called fix, it needs to get better. I bought this car because of the so called quality GM??
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:24 PM   #102
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You are not going to purchase a car this year that runs 9.90's in the 1/4 mile while also carrying all or your inlaws and getting 34 MPG at the same time. I don't care how much you spend on it or how much money you have. Sometimes there is a trade off between performance and practicality that cannot be transcended. I am sure that in given time there will be a brake pad available for this car that will be more "practical" (Won't stop as well, especially when hot, but won't squeak near as much either)
I am no engineer, however I have extensive experience with full out race cars with very expensive braking systems and they squeak like you would never believe. I am sure many of you watch NASCAR, next time you watch a pitstop on TV, listen closely as the car rolls to a stop in the pit box. I am not saying that the noise shouldn't be improved on the camaro because it should.
I guess my point is that some of you guys purchased a high performance car with high performance brakes for under $40k that outperforms many higher priced cars, but you are outraged that it doesen't ride like a Lexus, accelerate like a top fuel dragster, brake better than a F1 car, with the fuel mileage of a Prius.
Alot of people wonder why it is so difficult for carmakers to produce an affordable performance car such as the camaro. I am sorry to tell you that these sort of complaints are what deters manufacturers from actually giving us these better parts on our stock vehicles. If a GM engineer is reading your posts he is thinking that they should of put the LT calipers on all the cars, that way they would not be getting any complaints..
Bottom line is this, be patient , if this problem persists someone WILL develop a low performance pad/rotor combination for this car that makes no noise at all. Meanwhile, be thankful that GM had the nads to actually put real brakes on a car that cost less than $40k........ Just my opinion...........
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:37 PM   #103
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Why is everybody offended by the wheel weights? They don't seem to cause problems while driving or braking. Who cares? I think you all are blowing this way out of proportion.
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A cheap fix, that is just substandard GM. I hope GM is reading all this, Brembo should be mad as hell. That is there name on the break as well. Very disappointing so called fix, it needs to get better. I bought this car because of the so called quality GM??
Ummmmmm, so you don't think this was Brembo's design to fix the noise?????? This isn't an add on, it's part of the caliper designed by Brembo.

And you guys may want to check the calipers on some of the more expensive cars. They use a very siimilar design to what the Camaro now has. So quit bashing GM. This is a typical industry wide solution.
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i think it looks better... are they glued on? that was my big problem with the weights in the first place
If they are like all the other Brembo-specified pads, they are riveted, not glued.
Pay attention! This thread is about the weights on the brakes, not about the brake pads. The issue was that the weights were glued on and people were afraid they'd fall off (and some people actually had them fall off).
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:13 AM   #106
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Pay attention! This thread is about the weights on the brakes, not about the brake pads. The issue was that the weights were glued on and people were afraid they'd fall off (and some people actually had them fall off).
yes... if these rollerskates are riveted on then i don't care what they look like.
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Old 01-05-2010, 02:19 PM   #107
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Pay attention! This thread is about the weights on the brakes, not about the brake pads. The issue was that the weights were glued on and people were afraid they'd fall off (and some people actually had them fall off).
Really??? It sure looked like a discussion of the latest incarnation of damper to me (hence the thread title). The current fix, of course, is actually riveted to the brake pad back plate now, just like with several other Brembo-equipped cars. No glue, no runs, no drips, no errors...
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Old 01-05-2010, 02:25 PM   #108
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Well said Zero. Americans have come to expect perfection in just about everything we put our hands on. In my book, this car is a beast of a street pounding SOB (off the showroom floor). I had mine in for the same reason. The GM had the specailist "burnish" the pads to try and eliminate the problem (RF break only). If this is the small price to pay for breaking security, I will tolerate it. I need the car to stop when I want it to with some degree of expectation and sense of what it can and can't do. Fun on the streets and freeway is where it's at for me so I for one am very glad that GM had the presence of mind to put a high performance breaking system on this car.
There is a lot of truth here. GM did the best they could with the allocated budget. Are there better brakes out there? Sure, but these are superior to any previous generation Camaro. They are slightly modified from the CTS-V system, so the costs were kept in line.

Brake bed-in is woefully neglected even by the manufacturers these days. It needs to be done for the brakes to work their best and to promote smoother, quieter operation. Also, don't be afraid to take them out once in a while to have fun and get them good and warm. Slow speed rubbing breaks down the pad transfer layer on the rotor friction surface, leading to decreased stopping power and sometimes extra brake noise.

This is still a first-year car. I'm sure in future model years that adjustments will continue to be made.

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Really??? It sure looked like a discussion of the latest incarnation of damper to me (hence the thread title). The current fix, of course, is actually riveted to the brake pad back plate now, just like with several other Brembo-equipped cars. No glue, no runs, no drips, no errors...
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If they are like all the other Brembo-specified pads, they are riveted, not glued.
sure sounds like you're talking about how the pad is attached to the back plate, not how the weights are attached to anything.
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Old 01-05-2010, 02:55 PM   #110
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You are not going to purchase a car this year that runs 9.90's in the 1/4 mile while also carrying all or your inlaws and getting 34 MPG at the same time. I don't care how much you spend on it or how much money you have. Sometimes there is a trade off between performance and practicality that cannot be transcended. I am sure that in given time there will be a brake pad available for this car that will be more "practical" (Won't stop as well, especially when hot, but won't squeak near as much either)
I am no engineer, however I have extensive experience with full out race cars with very expensive braking systems and they squeak like you would never believe. I am sure many of you watch NASCAR, next time you watch a pitstop on TV, listen closely as the car rolls to a stop in the pit box. I am not saying that the noise shouldn't be improved on the camaro because it should.
I guess my point is that some of you guys purchased a high performance car with high performance brakes for under $40k that outperforms many higher priced cars, but you are outraged that it doesen't ride like a Lexus, accelerate like a top fuel dragster, brake better than a F1 car, with the fuel mileage of a Prius.
Alot of people wonder why it is so difficult for carmakers to produce an affordable performance car such as the camaro. I am sorry to tell you that these sort of complaints are what deters manufacturers from actually giving us these better parts on our stock vehicles. If a GM engineer is reading your posts he is thinking that they should of put the LT calipers on all the cars, that way they would not be getting any complaints..
Bottom line is this, be patient , if this problem persists someone WILL develop a low performance pad/rotor combination for this car that makes no noise at all. Meanwhile, be thankful that GM had the nads to actually put real brakes on a car that cost less than $40k........ Just my opinion...........
i couldn't have said this better myself. i think we are expecting waaaaayy too much here. you can barely notice those weights on the caliper.

this car is a freaking BEAST !! let's stop our knit picking and drive the damn thing !!
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Old 01-05-2010, 02:58 PM   #111
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You may want to work on your communication skills. This:

sure sounds like you're talking about how the pad is attached to the back plate, not how the weights are attached to anything.
Your suggestion has been taken under advisement. Good quality pads have not been riveted to back plates for many, many years. They have never been glued. Sorry for any confusion caused by my direct reply to the question regarding the weights.
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Really??? It sure looked like a discussion of the latest incarnation of damper to me (hence the thread title). The current fix, of course, is actually riveted to the brake pad back plate now, just like with several other Brembo-equipped cars. No glue, no runs, no drips, no errors...
works for me. i have no problem with the brakes as they are now (riveted fix).
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Ummmmmm, so you don't think this was Brembo's design to fix the noise?????? This isn't an add on, it's part of the caliper designed by Brembo.

And you guys may want to check the calipers on some of the more expensive cars. They use a very siimilar design to what the Camaro now has. So quit bashing GM. This is a typical industry wide solution.
I am sorry but a typical industry wide solution is wheel weights on hot brake calipers and then some kind of weight wheels attached to the brakes that stand out that much? what industry is this typical in?
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:51 PM   #114
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does anyone know if the dealer is going to fix this problem???
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:34 PM   #115
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I have an early run car... 17xxx. I have the stick on wheel weights and notice a bit of squealing still. Though the newest change might look worse, does it actually cure the problem?? I'd be ok with it as long as they actually fix the problem.
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does anyone know if the dealer is going to fix this problem???
It depends on your definition of "problem". Getting a high-performance brake system with a fixed, opposed-piston caliper to be quiet under all conditions is a very tall order. Most car manufacturers supplying these type of brakes will consider some noise normal. Excessive noise is not. However, your definition of normal vs. excessive noise might be miles apart from a service manager's.

Also keep in mind that the large 1-piece rotor is contributing significantly to noise (NVH) issues. The rotor acts a bit like a bell, ringing at each of it's natural frequencies. If during a braking event the rotor is excited at a certain frequency, it will amplify the vibration causing the pad to oscillate in the caliper. If it happens above 16k Hertz, most people won't hear it -- your dog might! Below that, we hear brake squeal. For me, I've been around motorsports long enough to not hear well above 12k Hertz or so. Maybe I'm lucky?

It could be that a 2-piece rotor (with an aluminum hat) would probably damp most, if not all, noise. It doesn't work all of the time, but works far more often than not on other cars. Again, it depends on other factors as well. Sometimes it will work on 9 out of 10 identical cars, with the one being impossible to cure completely.

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it is ugly, very ugly

wheel weights were better... good thing I already have mine!
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Brake noise

My ss/rs has no brake noise. Is it or will it become a problem with wear or?
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:01 AM   #119
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I cant believe some of you, have you not even read this thread because some of you are clearly confused about what were talking about here. Were not talking about the stick on weights anymore. Please read the first post on the first page of this thread, then post.

And for the record, I havent seen any other Brembo equipped car with any weights or dumbbells used to quiet down the brakes. Not sure why specifically the camaro is having this problem.
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Of the two choices, stick on or mouse barbells, I would take the barbells. The weights look like something stuck on as an afterthought.
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Of the two choices, stick on or mouse barbells, I would take the barbells. The weights look like something stuck on as an afterthought.
So do the training wheels.... only they are so huge and so close to the wheel that they not only look stuck on afterthoughts but they look like stuck on afterthoughts with flashing lights and bells calling your attention to them.

The sticky weights are much less attention-grabbing!
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And for the record, I havent seen any other Brembo equipped car with any weights or dumbbells used to quiet down the brakes.
Well, here ya go...

Porsche Cayenne as equipped by Brembo:



Cayenne front pads:





Cayenne rear:




Porsche Cayman as equipped by Brembo:



Porsche Cayman front pads:




Here's another version of slightly more aesthetic add-on caliper weights on the BMW 135i. Those blocks are steel, bolted to a Brembo aluminum 6-piston caliper.



There are more. The Camaro is not unique in this area.

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I think the "barbell" dampeners were put there because they could fit within the wheel space. The larger dampeners have more of an effect on harmonic dampening - greater range. The downside, as it turns out, is that you can't put 18 inch wheels on the car (winter tires and wheels). My ride doesn't use the bigger dampeners so the MODA wheel does actually fit without issues.

I'm thinking it's a sort of band-aid. It wouldn't bother me in the least whether I had them or not.
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I'm taking delivery of my 2SS/RS tomorrow morning at 10am but I went to the dealer today to see her and my car has them. They honestly aren't that bad looking at all. Without a trained eye knowing what to look for, they aren't going to call any attention. If these work to stop the squeeling that I've read so many of you talk about then I am all for them. But seriously, they aren't ridiculous looking or anything like that.
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I don't see them as a problem actually. I didn't spend 85k on my camaro..and I don't expect to have the same components/design that come with an 85k car. At least there is a fix.

However, I do have the mouse barbells, and the brakes sqeak after a hard brake. I.E. 80 to 25mph...but only for a few seconds. After that, it doesn't sqeak again.
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