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Old 01-09-2010, 01:23 AM   #120
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Of the two choices, stick on or mouse barbells, I would take the barbells. The weights look like something stuck on as an afterthought.
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:32 AM   #121
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Of the two choices, stick on or mouse barbells, I would take the barbells. The weights look like something stuck on as an afterthought.
So do the training wheels.... only they are so huge and so close to the wheel that they not only look stuck on afterthoughts but they look like stuck on afterthoughts with flashing lights and bells calling your attention to them.

The sticky weights are much less attention-grabbing!
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:58 PM   #122
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And for the record, I havent seen any other Brembo equipped car with any weights or dumbbells used to quiet down the brakes.
Well, here ya go...

Porsche Cayenne as equipped by Brembo:



Cayenne front pads:





Cayenne rear:




Porsche Cayman as equipped by Brembo:



Porsche Cayman front pads:




Here's another version of slightly more aesthetic add-on caliper weights on the BMW 135i. Those blocks are steel, bolted to a Brembo aluminum 6-piston caliper.



There are more. The Camaro is not unique in this area.

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Old 01-09-2010, 04:35 PM   #123
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I think the "barbell" dampeners were put there because they could fit within the wheel space. The larger dampeners have more of an effect on harmonic dampening - greater range. The downside, as it turns out, is that you can't put 18 inch wheels on the car (winter tires and wheels). My ride doesn't use the bigger dampeners so the MODA wheel does actually fit without issues.

I'm thinking it's a sort of band-aid. It wouldn't bother me in the least whether I had them or not.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:15 PM   #124
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I'm taking delivery of my 2SS/RS tomorrow morning at 10am but I went to the dealer today to see her and my car has them. They honestly aren't that bad looking at all. Without a trained eye knowing what to look for, they aren't going to call any attention. If these work to stop the squeeling that I've read so many of you talk about then I am all for them. But seriously, they aren't ridiculous looking or anything like that.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:36 PM   #125
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I don't see them as a problem actually. I didn't spend 85k on my camaro..and I don't expect to have the same components/design that come with an 85k car. At least there is a fix.

However, I do have the mouse barbells, and the brakes sqeak after a hard brake. I.E. 80 to 25mph...but only for a few seconds. After that, it doesn't sqeak again.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:09 AM   #126
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30 years from now these early design calipers are going to be very expensive to find to make your car "factory correct". Enjoy 'em while ya gotta em.

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Old 01-13-2010, 08:31 PM   #127
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:39 PM   #128
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Whether you like the looks of these new dampeners or not, they are causing a major problem for me and I do not even have them on my car. I have been shopping around for new wheels to put my summer tires on and most wheel distributors and manufacturers are changing their approved fitment for the SS to allow for the additional size of these new brake pads. I can only find a couple models of 20" wheel that are approved to fit and they aren't near the style I am looking for. I am relatively certain that many of the 20" wheels will fit my car as long as I don't have the big dampeners, but ordering is now a crapshoot and if I guess wrong about the fitment of a wheel, then I might have trouble returning them. Many wheel shops would not even sell the wheels to me unless I lie and tell them I have an LS. Does anyone have suggestions for how I can tell if a wheel will fit the original brake pads or aftermarket ceramic brake pads?
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:57 PM   #129
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I think no matter what solution they come up with some people would never be satisfied. Im really starting to think that people are expecting way too much from these cars. Which is dangerous because no car is perfect. I love any flaws in a car. I loved my rattles on all my third gens and the scraping of the front deflector. The people that accept these problems as good ol Camaro quirks are the real lovers. I think all the perfectionist will be the first people to walk away when something else comes along. Which is fine because Ill still be rippin around in my junky 2010 Camaro loving every minute of it. Whatever lol.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:40 PM   #130
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And for the record, I havent seen any other Brembo equipped car with any weights or dumbbells used to quiet down the brakes. Not sure why specifically the camaro is having this problem.
My STi rear calipers had a weight attached to it. The weights are not visible when mounted to the car. It also did not affect the wheel fitment at all. Brake noise is inevitable with a fixed caliper performance brake system. Higher end cars have expensive ways of silencing this noise. Since the Camaro must operate within a certain price point, dampner aesthetics will take a backseat to function. Here is a pic of my STi Brembo rear calipers. The fronts were very noisy as I was running some pretty aggressive pads with titanium shims and no stop squeal.

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Old 02-03-2010, 03:04 PM   #131
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Mmmm. Brings back old memories. I had two STi's. Loved them damn cars.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:13 PM   #132
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wooow .. There a alot of miss informed people on here ... They don't replace the stick on wheel weights.. they are there for wheel balancing!! these are for Heat Disapation some will say Harmonic Dampening .. Be seroius what did you think they are there for???
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:12 PM   #133
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My STi rear calipers had a weight attached to it. The weights are not visible when mounted to the car. It also did not affect the wheel fitment at all. Brake noise is inevitable with a fixed caliper performance brake system. Higher end cars have expensive ways of silencing this noise. Since the Camaro must operate within a certain price point, dampner aesthetics will take a backseat to function. Here is a pic of my STi Brembo rear calipers. The fronts were very noisy as I was running some pretty aggressive pads with titanium shims and no stop squeal.
STI also adds a decent size lump if steel onto the front upright forging that is not on the WRX (but the rear is the bolt-on you have shown). This helps damp vibrations transmitted from the caliper to the rest of the corner assembly. I would take a guess that the Camaro would also benefit from a similar approach, but the required design, test and tooling change would be very expensive. The weighted brake pads are the most cost-effective solution (if they work...). Automakers typically prioritize the mitigation of NVH issues over aftermarket wheel fitment.

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Old 02-04-2010, 12:26 AM   #134
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wooow .. There a alot of miss informed people on here ... They don't replace the stick on wheel weights.. they are there for wheel balancing!! these are for Heat Disapation some will say Harmonic Dampening .. Be seroius what did you think they are there for???

Hey Tony, There have been over 130 posts in this thread, all by people who have a completely different understanding of the issue than you. Did you pause for a moment to consider that there might be 130 people who understand the issue and only 1 who does not?

I'll wait here while you check the mirror.

OK, now that you are back...The stick on wheel weights referred to in this thread are not the ones on the wheels for balancing. We are referring to the stick on wheel weights on the calipers that are for vibration reduction/harmonic dampening. The new solution (instead of attaching wheel weights to the calipers) is pictured in the original post.
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:40 PM   #135
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I guess those that want the stick on weights can have the mouse barbells removed and the weights glued on instead. I don't mind the way it looks because I have painted them a flat black and they are difficult to see. My concern is trying to put on snow tires should Ii wish in the future. Will 19" wheels fit?
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:39 AM   #136
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Well I stand corrected...I guess it would have been nice to see a solution similar to others instead of the "roller skates" idea. I get the necessity of them, but it seems other manufactures have done a much nicer job of integrating a solution or those features.

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