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Old 01-20-2010, 11:17 AM   #1
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Ten Best QBs ever. NFL............

I've allways had John Elway imo as the best.

I'm too young to have watched Johnny U or Otto Graham.

Joe Montana was imo the poster child for 'Product of the System' but I still have him in my top 5.

Funny, no Marino on Claytons list.

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1. Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts and San Diego Chargers: Unitas opened the eyes of coaches who loved running the football and playing defense. He taught the NFL that a smart quarterback could lead a passing attack from the field and become the ultimate field general.
2. Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs: Playing for Bill Walsh's 49ers, Montana made the West Coast offense a household word in the NFL. With four Super Bowl rings, it could be argued he's No. 1.
3. Otto Graham, Cleveland Browns: Most football fans under the age of 50 aren't familiar with him, but Graham was a great passer. He starred in the 1940s and 1950s, but he could have played with this generation of quarterbacks. Counting the Browns' play in the old All-America Football Conference (AAFC) -- as recognized by the Pro Football Hall Of Fame -- he guided the team to 10 division or league crowns in 10 years.

4 John Elway, Denver Broncos: He won two Super Bowls in his final two seasons to legitimize one of the NFL's greatest careers. He led the Broncos to five Super Bowl appearances.

5. Brett Favre, Atlanta Falcons, Green Bay Packers, New York Jets and Minnesota Vikings: He's throwing as well at the age of 40 as he was when he was in his early 30s. Another Super Bowl ring could put him ahead of Elway.

6. Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins: Marino had one of the greatest arms in the history of the game. It's a shame he went to only one Super Bowl. He was the ultimate passer and leader on the field.

7. Tom Brady, New England Patriots: His three Super Bowl rings and 14-4 playoff record ranks him ahead of Peyton Manning, but Manning is on the rise.

8. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts: Manning has changed the game with his ability to work out of the shotgun and run a no-huddle offense. He is on the verge of jumping closer to the top five and possibly the top three in the next couple of seasons.

9. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers: Because the Steelers won their first two Super Bowls relying on the Steel Curtain defense and a solid running game, Bradshaw might have slipped through the cracks among the all-time greats. In their third and fourth Super Bowl wins, the Steelers were a fine passing team under Bradshaw.

10. Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers: Starr was the perfect leader for the perfect dynasty. He was the offensive leader who made it all work.
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I've allways had John Elway imo as the best.

I'm too young to have watched Johnny U or Otto Graham.

Joe Montana was imo the poster child for 'Product of the System' but I still have him in my top 5.

Funny, no Marino on Claytons list.

I agree with everything you said above


you know Elway is the one superstar who went out the BEST way throwing his 40 year old body at two 20 year olds at the goalline to win the superbowl then he retired

Now if only micheal had stayed retired after that one last shot oh well props to elway he is a leagend


Marino needs to be on that list sorry.

And yes even though he didnt win shorty out of the top 10 is jim kelly and steve young and Troy Aikman.
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You young people forget about Bart Starr, needs to be on the list some where!
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:27 PM   #4
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And yes even though he didnt win shorty out of the top 10 is jim kelly and steve young and Troy Aikman.


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1 Roger Staubach
2 Johnny Unitas
3 Fran Tarkenton
4 Troy Aikman
5 Terry Bradshaw

That's the only correct top five. Everybody else is wrong. LOL
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You young people forget about Bart Starr, needs to be on the list some where!
Oh crap. I forgot to put Claytons list and link.

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Oh crap. I forgot to put Claytons list and link.

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I think he's got Favre too high up on the list.....and Brady too low, just sayin
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I think he's got Favre too high up on the list.....and Brady too low, just sayin
I agree.

I'd put Brady in the Top 5.
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No Marino? then who is that wanker at #6???



My top 7 NFL QB's of all time... after all is said and done....

1. Tim Tebow

Just kidding.

1. Peyton Manning - I know he isn't there yet, but I think he wins another 2 (including this years) Superbowls. You give me another QB and I'll tell you something wrong with him. Elway leaned on the run game. Montana was a system QB. Marino couldn't win a SB. Unitas never proved himself against the level of competition that plays today.

2. Dan Marino - I know he couldn't get to the super bowl, but he had the best arm in the history of the NFL. You give him Jerry Rice and the 49er's D and you'll see who has 4 SB rings.

3. Montana. - Can't argue with the ice man. 4th quarter, who would you rather have with the ball?

4. John Elway - Common. He's John Elway.

5. Brett Farve - Leadership, consistency and his recent success with the Vikings makes me think if he had better WR's in Green Bay he'd have more than 1 SB.

6. Tom Brady. - I hate you Tom Brady.

7. Johnny Unitas - He built the passing game, and for that he deserves credit... but put him on an NFL roster today and you think he still dominates like he did? Not a chance.
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Manning above brady, and the rest are good in the list in the op.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:07 AM   #10
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OK... I've got to throw Dan Fouts in there... with all his 400yd passing games..
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who has the most records??
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:43 PM   #12
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Well, I guess I will give my top 5.

1. John Elway. He gets the edge because out of most of the list, he's the only one who played in the elements and still made the list. Imagine if he had played more games in the warm weather and had HOF type recievers. He only leaned on the running game toward the end. But make no mistake, the Broncos went as far as Elway would take them.
2. Tom Brady. Like Elway, he played in a LOT of bad weather and, until Moss, had crap for recievers for the most part. Brady did benefit from a Defense that was one of the best but he also was hamstrung by a coach who wanted to play ball control and yet Brady still made the difference. In games where ball control wasn't working, Belichek would let Tom be Tom and take over the game. In a system that called for a 'Game Manager' type QB, he still managed to carve out HOF numbers.
3. Dan Marino. His quick release is what we now use as the benchmark for how a NFL QB should do it. Accurate and had an 'Elwayesque' cannon for an arm. Marino could just 'will' his team down the feild. Nothing was impossible while he was on the feild. If there ever was a QB that you had to play 61 minutes against, it was Marino.
4. Peyton Manning. You may never again see a better and more accurate down the feild pass. It's almost like an art form. Could very well be at the top of the list before it's done. Any pressure on him usually spells something ugly. But it's the ONLY thing you can remotely find to critisize him for. And I thought about it for a while. lol
5. Joe Montana. He gets dropped to 5 because he's the poster child for the term 'System QB'. Not his fault and his final years with KC weren't terrible. He played in warm weather and had Jerry Rice for a reciever. Again, not his fault but arm strength was a question and not needed as much as with the 4 above him because of the system he was in. Short passes and run after catch is where a lot of numbers come from. Still, one of the very best.


It's a fun topic and there are no right answers. I watched all of these guys play and was very familiar with them. Some of the older guys like Graham and Unitas I can't speak too much for but I agree with Zues, that the players from 30 years ago wouldn't translate very well to todays game.
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1. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers

And he is the only one on the list, all the rest start in the 2nd sheet of paper.

4 superbowl wins

2 in a row twice, 2 years apart.
[Which no one will ever repeat]

All great QB rely on a good defence and goes without saying.
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1. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers

And he is the only one on the list, all the rest start in the 2nd sheet of paper.

4 superbowl wins

2 in a row twice, 2 years apart.
[Which no one will ever repeat]

All great QB rely on a good defence and goes without saying.
Definatley worthy of top 5. I just remember watching a bunch of ugly passes. lol

Not a real good spiral.
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1. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers

And he is the only one on the list, all the rest start in the 2nd sheet of paper.

4 superbowl wins

2 in a row twice, 2 years apart.
[Which no one will ever repeat]

All great QB rely on a good defence and goes without saying.
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1. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers

And he is the only one on the list, all the rest start in the 2nd sheet of paper.

4 superbowl wins

2 in a row twice, 2 years apart.
[Which no one will ever repeat]

All great QB rely on a good defence and goes without saying.
You got that right, Bradshaw is the man and Roethlisberger should be on this list to, Steelers 6 time Super Bowl Champs
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You got that right, Bradshaw is the man and Roethlisberger should be on this list to, Steelers 6 time Super Bowl Champs
Neither one of them are top 5
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Neither one of them are top 5
Yea ok, you know your football
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Can't put Roethlisburger on that list. He just hasn't played long enough. And though he has made some amazingly accurate passes in big situations, he doesn't do it consistantly enough. Time will tell. This moment he's not in the top 50. Just too young.

Basically, if Ben quit now, he would probably not make the HOF. So I can't put him on the list.

But it's just my list. And I love me some me.
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Yea Right.


By your logic.... Willie Parker is a better RB than Barry Saunders right?
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There has never, and I dare say never will be a better running back than Barry Sanders...

no line, no QB, no recievers, and no defense to speak of...

QB's ,

1.) Rodger the Dodger, He played at a time when I personally did not care at all for the cowboys... I grew up a Packers fan... but if you were in the last two minutes of a game and trailing by only a couple of scores, hang on to your hats and don't sit down or blink... Staubach could do and did more in the final two minutes than any I ever saw play...

2.) Johnny Unitas, yup, someone mentioned he hasn't proved himself against the calibre of player of today... Dooohhhhh , who has that played in the sixties... an average lineman was 250, and considered more or less fat, the backs were in the 180's the linebackers were in the 210's, and not one of them in that day and age could compete against the current leagues best... Yeah computer ratings are out there, so what... proof is in the day to day comparison... 1969 Camaro was a bad motorscooter, but it doesn't compare to what many of us drive today...Johhny Unitas was a man among men,, and to many in the league, he was a man among boys... Leader, Athlete, etc...

3.) John Elway... he of the Elway Cross.... recievers didn't like to catch passes in practice from him, he hurt their hands and left crosses on their bodies... A cannon mounted on his shoulder, improved with age...

4.) Bart Star, the Leading on the field piece in a Dynasty that may never be matched... Yeah the Steelers on the seventies, and the Cowboys of the 80's, the Patriots, etc... But, IMO, the Packers were the Original and still true dynasty... and Star and Max McGee were two of the reasons for that...

5.) Terry Bradshaw... wow, fun to watch, amazing timing and what a cut up...

6.) Joe Montana/Steve Young...I put them together for a reason... joe was dammit good, and he had motivation... He got to watch Steve Young in practice everyday and say to himself,... self, I better put up amazing numbers or he will take my job... and Steve Young for knowing how good he was, and being the team player he was to sit on the pine behind joe for so those years he would have started for any other team in the league, and then being humble when it was handed to him and had the country going holy hell,,, where has this guy been...

7.) Peyton Manning.... The modern day warrior, smart, athletic, personable, and what a leader... Coach's that try to work on anything with him other than a little pep talk once in a while are idiots... Peyton, a true student of the game since birth or maybe in his case before... has forgotten more than most will ever learn about the game of football...

8--- on down... there is a host...

Those not mentioned from the class of 83... Jim Kelly,, Dan Marino, etc...
Don Schula, Kenny Stabler... a game wrecker, a bad boy on a bad boys team...
Brett Favre, Love him, but... everybody needs to know when to bow out... Thx Elway... , Ben, got lots to prove yet... ala jim McMahon, one trip with too much talent around you to lose doesn't count...
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Good Lord put Favre at #11

I almost suspect hea got some massive side bets or gambling debts to keep the game so close like that by throwing to the wrong team more then the right one
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Good Lord put Favre at #11

I almost suspect hea got some massive side bets or gambling debts to keep the game so close like that by throwing to the wrong team more then the right one
Didn't have anything to do with 6 fumbles eh?
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