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Old 01-21-2010, 03:50 PM   #18
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Neither one of them are top 5
Yea ok, you know your football
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Can't put Roethlisburger on that list. He just hasn't played long enough. And though he has made some amazingly accurate passes in big situations, he doesn't do it consistantly enough. Time will tell. This moment he's not in the top 50. Just too young.

Basically, if Ben quit now, he would probably not make the HOF. So I can't put him on the list.

But it's just my list. And I love me some me.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:16 PM   #22
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Yea Right.


By your logic.... Willie Parker is a better RB than Barry Saunders right?
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There has never, and I dare say never will be a better running back than Barry Sanders...

no line, no QB, no recievers, and no defense to speak of...

QB's ,

1.) Rodger the Dodger, He played at a time when I personally did not care at all for the cowboys... I grew up a Packers fan... but if you were in the last two minutes of a game and trailing by only a couple of scores, hang on to your hats and don't sit down or blink... Staubach could do and did more in the final two minutes than any I ever saw play...

2.) Johnny Unitas, yup, someone mentioned he hasn't proved himself against the calibre of player of today... Dooohhhhh , who has that played in the sixties... an average lineman was 250, and considered more or less fat, the backs were in the 180's the linebackers were in the 210's, and not one of them in that day and age could compete against the current leagues best... Yeah computer ratings are out there, so what... proof is in the day to day comparison... 1969 Camaro was a bad motorscooter, but it doesn't compare to what many of us drive today...Johhny Unitas was a man among men,, and to many in the league, he was a man among boys... Leader, Athlete, etc...

3.) John Elway... he of the Elway Cross.... recievers didn't like to catch passes in practice from him, he hurt their hands and left crosses on their bodies... A cannon mounted on his shoulder, improved with age...

4.) Bart Star, the Leading on the field piece in a Dynasty that may never be matched... Yeah the Steelers on the seventies, and the Cowboys of the 80's, the Patriots, etc... But, IMO, the Packers were the Original and still true dynasty... and Star and Max McGee were two of the reasons for that...

5.) Terry Bradshaw... wow, fun to watch, amazing timing and what a cut up...

6.) Joe Montana/Steve Young...I put them together for a reason... joe was dammit good, and he had motivation... He got to watch Steve Young in practice everyday and say to himself,... self, I better put up amazing numbers or he will take my job... and Steve Young for knowing how good he was, and being the team player he was to sit on the pine behind joe for so those years he would have started for any other team in the league, and then being humble when it was handed to him and had the country going holy hell,,, where has this guy been...

7.) Peyton Manning.... The modern day warrior, smart, athletic, personable, and what a leader... Coach's that try to work on anything with him other than a little pep talk once in a while are idiots... Peyton, a true student of the game since birth or maybe in his case before... has forgotten more than most will ever learn about the game of football...

8--- on down... there is a host...

Those not mentioned from the class of 83... Jim Kelly,, Dan Marino, etc...
Don Schula, Kenny Stabler... a game wrecker, a bad boy on a bad boys team...
Brett Favre, Love him, but... everybody needs to know when to bow out... Thx Elway... , Ben, got lots to prove yet... ala jim McMahon, one trip with too much talent around you to lose doesn't count...
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Good Lord put Favre at #11

I almost suspect hea got some massive side bets or gambling debts to keep the game so close like that by throwing to the wrong team more then the right one
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Good Lord put Favre at #11

I almost suspect hea got some massive side bets or gambling debts to keep the game so close like that by throwing to the wrong team more then the right one
Didn't have anything to do with 6 fumbles eh?
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There has never, and I dare say never will be a better running back than Barry Sanders...

no line, no QB, no recievers, and no defense to speak of...

QB's ,

1.) Rodger the Dodger, He played at a time when I personally did not care at all for the cowboys... I grew up a Packers fan... but if you were in the last two minutes of a game and trailing by only a couple of scores, hang on to your hats and don't sit down or blink... Staubach could do and did more in the final two minutes than any I ever saw play...

2.) Johnny Unitas, yup, someone mentioned he hasn't proved himself against the calibre of player of today... Dooohhhhh , who has that played in the sixties... an average lineman was 250, and considered more or less fat, the backs were in the 180's the linebackers were in the 210's, and not one of them in that day and age could compete against the current leagues best... Yeah computer ratings are out there, so what... proof is in the day to day comparison... 1969 Camaro was a bad motorscooter, but it doesn't compare to what many of us drive today...Johhny Unitas was a man among men,, and to many in the league, he was a man among boys... Leader, Athlete, etc...

3.) John Elway... he of the Elway Cross.... recievers didn't like to catch passes in practice from him, he hurt their hands and left crosses on their bodies... A cannon mounted on his shoulder, improved with age...

4.) Bart Star, the Leading on the field piece in a Dynasty that may never be matched... Yeah the Steelers on the seventies, and the Cowboys of the 80's, the Patriots, etc... But, IMO, the Packers were the Original and still true dynasty... and Star and Max McGee were two of the reasons for that...

5.) Terry Bradshaw... wow, fun to watch, amazing timing and what a cut up...

6.) Joe Montana/Steve Young...I put them together for a reason... joe was dammit good, and he had motivation... He got to watch Steve Young in practice everyday and say to himself,... self, I better put up amazing numbers or he will take my job... and Steve Young for knowing how good he was, and being the team player he was to sit on the pine behind joe for so those years he would have started for any other team in the league, and then being humble when it was handed to him and had the country going holy hell,,, where has this guy been...

7.) Peyton Manning.... The modern day warrior, smart, athletic, personable, and what a leader... Coach's that try to work on anything with him other than a little pep talk once in a while are idiots... Peyton, a true student of the game since birth or maybe in his case before... has forgotten more than most will ever learn about the game of football...

8--- on down... there is a host...

Those not mentioned from the class of 83... Jim Kelly,, Dan Marino, etc...
Don Schula, Kenny Stabler... a game wrecker, a bad boy on a bad boys team...
Brett Favre, Love him, but... everybody needs to know when to bow out... Thx Elway... , Ben, got lots to prove yet... ala jim McMahon, one trip with too much talent around you to lose doesn't count...
I can live with that list. Very deserving guys. And you scored point from me for putting Kelly as at least a mention. He's not top 10 but he's one of the great.
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All the major game changes to me, happend when Favre threw to the wrong team.

And if it was favre making the play calls he should get shiet canned, or who ever was.

only needed 1 field goal to win but hey lets let the old man throw it one more time......... [he threw the game on purpose, weather he mentally knew it or not. Unconscious self-sabotage is a problem for many professionals.]
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All the major game changes to me, happend when Favre threw to the wrong team.

And if it was favre making the play calls he should get shiet canned, or who ever was.

only needed 1 field goal to win but hey lets let the old man throw it one more time......... [he threw the game on purpose, weather he mentally knew it or not. Unconscious self-sabotage is a problem for many professionals.]
They were out of field goal range and needed to throw down field........
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He had 5 to 7 yards if he ran and that would of gave them a chance from 50 yards and the Vikings would have won that game cuz Longwell wouldn't have missed. Just saying!!!
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This has earned a RANT, Sorry but you do not have to read it...

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All the major game changes to me, happend when Favre threw to the wrong team.

And if it was favre making the play calls he should get shiet canned, or who ever was.

only needed 1 field goal to win but hey lets let the old man throw it one more time......... [he threw the game on purpose, weather he mentally knew it or not. Unconscious self-sabotage is a problem for many professionals.]


Is this your expert medical opinion derived from years of study... I, unfortunately, wasn't able to watch the game, and this reply doesn't address this game in particular, but professional athletes... and
"unconscious self-whatever the hell you said" Self refers to an individual, yet, he in your opinion, obviously caused the whole team to lose, and Minnesota residents... and the League, and .....

I don't know or profess to know what ticks in their minds, but I can say this beyond a shadow of a doubt... as I am the father of a professional athlete talented enough to have been drafted, signed, and has played two years already...

There are those in professional sports that lose sight of why they are there.. money, fame, glory, whatever. There is not one athlete there that isn't deserving to be there... and none of them got there inspite of their "Unconscious self-sabotage" BS. If you think there are athletes in the pro's that shouldn't be there, then you need to pay more attention. At the very minimum, the pro athletes we watch on TV throughout the year, almost certainly make at least 350,000 to 400,000 a year, roughly league minimum for a first year player... The business people that own these teams, regardless of your personal thoughts, are very astute, clean or dirty matters not, honest or dishonest, whatever... they got lots of damn money, and they did not get it by signing players that haven't done something to earn that recognition. Do some of them fail, sure, team dynamics, personality conflicts, coaching styles, or game management... The incredible detail that goes into every moment of preparation for a game, much less a season is beyond your comprehension...obviously... or you're "unconsciously self sabotaging" your ability to see it... Thats a problem for many armchair QB's, pitchers, point guards etc... I guess...

The game is over, look forward to the superbowl and watch it or don't, I don't care, but leave the medical mumbo jumbo psychiatric armchair nonsense out of it... Get over it....

Brett Favre, win or lose is the comsumate athlete and competitor... He tries to win with every fiber of his being, and whether you like it or not, given the same situation, I would hope they do the same thing...

GIVE... FARVE, MANNING, BREES, Kelly, Sanders, Smith, Aikman, Elway, Bush, Jordan, Robinson, Majic, Rose, Ryan, The Big Unit, and a thousand other SUPERSTARS etc....THE BALL...You put it in the hands of the guy most likely to make the play...


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I can live with that list. Very deserving guys. And you scored point from me for putting Kelly as at least a mention. He's not top 10 but he's one of the great.
Agreed,

The Class of 83 will, in my estimation never be matched, Led by Kelly, Marino, Elway etc... Wow... By far the best GROUP to ever come into the league.... The best of them is arguable due to the personnel around them... Put Kelly in Miami, Marino in Denver and Elway at Buffalo, certainly it's a different picture...or any others of the class...
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Mike and Mike just had TJ from the Blitz on and they talked about Peyton Manning.



TJ played with, against or reported on every major QB since Roger the Dodger, and he is convinced without a doubt that Peyton Manning is the best to ever play the game.


He calls him the 'Football Genius'
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I see no one has mentioned Bob Griese Miami Dolphins played from 1967-1980.
2 Super Bowls wins (VII and VIII) and a perfect season (1972).

Edit; Earl Morrall led Miami to victory in their nine remaining games of the perfect "72" season.

And just for good measure let me throw out some very good old time QB`s.

1. Milt Plum. Cleveland Browns

2. Y. A. Tittle. N.Y. Giants

3. Jack Kemp. Detroit Lions (Drafted and cut), Pittsburgh Steelers, taxi squads of the San Francisco 49ers & New York Giants, (Old AFL. Los Angeles-San Diego Chargers, Buffalo Bills)

As for Jim Kelly they (the Bills) may have lost 4 strait Super Bowls but I doubt that any QB with any team will ever make it there 4 strait year!

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Peyton Manning has won league MVP more times than Terry Bradshaw made the probowl.
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